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Davis Cup: Germany v Croatia. What surface should they choose?

I've been debating this in the Davis Cup forum.

Most have suggested that the tie should be played on clay. To me this sounds ludicrous - at least from the German point of view. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that Ancic is a good (in fact one of the best) clay players around? Just because he's won titles on grass and collected his best results at Wimbledon, people assume that he's a clay clown.

Haas' results on clay have been awful over the last few years and Kiefer has always been weak on clay. Ljubicic would probably also beat Haas and Kiefer on a clay court and Croatia would win 5-0.

Even grass would be better than clay for Germany because they'd stand a better chance of winning the two singles rubbers against Ljubicic. Although Ancic would almost certainly win his two singles rubbers. On carpet, Ancic might lose but Ljubicic would win.

To me, the decision is obvious. From Germany's point of view, why would they want to play on anything other than a fast (US Open style) hard court? Haas, Kiefer and Becker all feel most comfortable on this surface whereas Ancic and Ljubicic have recently struggled.

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Re: Davis Cup: Germany v Croatia. What surface should they choose?

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I've been debating this in the Davis Cup forum.

Most have suggested that the tie should be played on clay. To me this sounds ludicrous - at least from the German point of view. Why is it so difficult for people to understand that Ancic is a good (in fact one of the best) clay players around? Just because he's won titles on grass and collected his best results at Wimbledon, people assume that he's a clay clown.

Haas' results on clay have been awful over the last few years and Kiefer has always been weak on clay. Ljubicic would probably also beat Haas and Kiefer on a clay court and Croatia would win 5-0.

Even grass would be better than clay for Germany because they'd stand a better chance of winning the two singles rubbers against Ljubicic. Although Ancic would almost certainly win his two singles rubbers. On carpet, Ancic might lose but Ljubicic would win.

To me, the decision is obvious. From Germany's point of view, why would they want to play on anything other than a fast (US Open style) hard court? Haas, Kiefer and Becker all feel most comfortable on this surface whereas Ancic and Ljubicic have recently struggled.

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There were signs at Wimbledon that Ljubicic and grass were starting to click. I doubt Kiefer unless fully fit or Haas who ain't had the best of times at Wimbledon could down him.

Fast hard court would be a good choice too.

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Re: Davis Cup: Germany v Croatia. What surface should they choose?

Rebound Ace, or maybe a faster hardcourt IMO

this is one of those tough ties where no surface really suits Germany that much better than Croatia.

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Re: Davis Cup: Germany v Croatia. What surface should they choose?

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Rebound Ace, or maybe a faster hardcourt IMO

this is one of those tough ties where no surface really suits Germany that much better than Croatia.
faster hardcourt and the serves of Ancic and Ljubicic
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faster hardcourt and the serves of Ancic and Ljubicic
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Well I think Haas and Kiefer have done the best at the AO compared to the Croatians... that's why I said Rebound Ace.

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Re: Davis Cup: Germany v Croatia. What surface should they choose?

I think the Germans will pick clay. That's the weakest service for Croatia #1 player Ljubicic and although Ancic's clay court results looked impressive this season, the only good quality clay court player he defeated is Robredo in a 5 setter this year RG.

And I still think on average, Germany is better on clay than Croatia.
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Re: Davis Cup: Germany v Croatia. What surface should they choose?

They will probably choose the Slowest type of clay which is red clay.(not the french open type or rome type.). It is impossible to beat Ancic or Ljubicic on hard court or carpet court.(regardless it is rebound ace or premier.).

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To me, the decision is obvious. From Germany's point of view, why would they want to play on anything other than a fast (US Open style) hard court? Haas, Kiefer and Becker all feel most comfortable on this surface whereas Ancic and Ljubicic have recently struggled.

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You forgot Mayer. He is a real force on clay.Kiefer plays well on clay too. I don't Becker and Haas will be choosen for the tie. Haas may be choosen but becker is highly unlikely to be choosen.(he is talented but he still has to prove in international level.) I think thier team will be Mayer,Kiefer,Waske,Kohlman.(haas as alternative.)
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I think the Germans will pick clay. That's the weakest service for Croatia #1 player Ljubicic and although Ancic's clay court results looked impressive this season, the only good quality clay court player he defeated is Robredo in a 5 setter this year RG.

And I still think on average, Germany is better on clay than Croatia.
What about Davydenko? What about Horna, Ramirez-Hidalgo and Garcia-Lopez? Consider that, in the limited number of clay tournaments he has played, he has collected 600 ranking points.

Anyway it's not just about the results. LOOK AT HIS GAME. Have you seen Ancic play on clay? If you have then you would see that he's very comfortable on the surface.

When the ball bounces up high into his hitting zone, he can strike the ball beautifully off both wings. If you watch his eyes, you can see how focused he is every time he hits the ball and, hence, he can cope with dodgy clay bounces better than most players. He is a smart player who knows how to construct points on a clay court and when to approach the net to use his excellent volleying ability to finish off many points. For a tall guy, he also moves and defends exceptionally well on a clay court.
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Big servers can do well on clay. It's possible, you know, for grass players to perform better on clay than on hard courts. Sometimes big servers don't like playing on fast surfaces.
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Big servers can do well on clay. It's possible, you know, for grass players to perform better on clay than on hard courts. Sometimes big servers don't like playing on fast surfaces.
Ok but Mario and Ivan do
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They will probably choose the Slowest type of clay which is red clay.(not the french open type or rome type.). It is impossible to beat Ancic or Ljubicic on hard court or carpet court.(regardless it is rebound ace or premier.).

You forgot Mayer. He is a real force on clay.Kiefer plays well on clay too. I don't Becker and Haas will be choosen for the tie. Haas may be choosen but becker is highly unlikely to be choosen.(he is talented but he still has to prove in international level.) I think thier team will be Mayer,Kiefer,Waske,Kohlman.(haas as alternative.)
Mayer is good on clay but he's too inconsistent. Haas has always been very good when playing on a fast hard court. Even if Kiefer doesn't play, Becker is a very good alternative. Germany has more options on hard than on clay.
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Then why has Mario had better results on clay than on carpet courts? His best results in the Masters Series have come in Miami, Rome and Hamburg. His best results at Grand Slams have been at Roland Garros and Wimbledon. He has performed better on slow hard courts than on fast hard courts (compare his AO with his USO results).

And why has Ivan always performed better at Roland Garros than at Wimbledon?
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