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...no RG or no Wimby?


Sorry, if it's been discussed before
Just want to know your opinion about this:

If you were a tennis pro, would you rather win all GSs but Roland Garros(like Sampras , Federer, Hingis(unlikely), Davenport(never will)) or everything except Wimby(like Seles , Lendl, Wilander, Henin-Hardenne(not in foreseeable future))?

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Re: ...no RG or no Wimby?

Not winning Wimbledon is worse than not winning Roland Garros, imo.
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Sorry, if it's been discussed before
Just want to know your opinion about this:

If you were a tennis pro, would you rather win all GSs but Roland Garros(like Sampras , Federer, Hingis(unlikely), Davenport(never will)) or everything except Wimby(like Seles , Lendl, Wilander, Henin-Hardenne(not in foreseeable future))?
Add Edberg, Connors, Becker to the first list, and , conditionally, McEnroe.. Yes, the first group is amuch better list.
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Re: ...no RG or no Wimby?

I would prefer to win RG, but the great players who didn't win Wimbledon tend to be unfairly uderrated.
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Add Edberg, Connors, Becker to the first list, and , conditionally, McEnroe.. Yes, the first group is amuch better list.
And Vilas to the second list.
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Re: ...no RG or no Wimby?

As Wimbledon is for most people the tournament with the most tradition I would say Wimbledon, but just have a look to the list with players who haven't won Roland Garros. I think players like Edberg and Sampras still regret that they never won that tournament, whilst on the other hand Lendl probably still regrets not to have the Wimbledon trophy.
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Add Edberg, Connors, Becker to the first list, and , conditionally, McEnroe.. Yes, the first group is amuch better list.
Thanks, ys!
McEnroe was great but he hadn't won AO(?), so he doesn't belong to the 1st group.

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Had Vilas won all but Wimby?? Didn't know that...

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Had Vilas won all but Wimby?? Didn't know that...
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1977 US Open (def. Jimmy Connors 2-6 6-3 7-6 6-0)
1978 Australian Open (def. John Marks 6-4 6-4 3-6 6-3)
1979 Australian Open (def. John Sadri 7-6 6-3 6-2)

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Re: ...no RG or no Wimby?

Of the 5 most successful players by Grand Slam titles won, ALL have won Wimbledon (Sampras 14, Emerson 12, Laver 11, Borg 11 and Federer 9) and 2, Sampras and Federer, have failed to win the French Open.

There does seem to be a greater correlation between Wimbledon winners and greatness.

The only players I could identify who have won 5 or more grand slams without winning Wimbledon are Lendl and Wilander.

Players who have 5 or more without winning the French Open includes Sampras, Federer, Connors, McEnroe, Becker and Edberg. A very impressive list.

Overall winning Wimbledon is essential to being considered great and winning the French Open is necessary to differentiate yourself from the other greats. After winning a few Wimbledons, I feel that the French Open was/is more inportant for Sampras and Federer.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
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Re: ...no RG or no Wimby?

Maybe, I prefer win Wimbledon. Isn't my favourite Grand Slam (US Open is the TOURNAMENT), but Wimbledon is a classic.

Roland Garros is better than Wimbledon to watch tennis, so it's har to choice. However, a hardcort player has more dificult in clay than grass.

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Re: ...no RG or no Wimby?

If I was a pro, I'd love to hold all four. But if I had to choose, I'd take a Wimbledon crown over a French any day. IT doesn't mean I'd give up on RG (i.e. Sampras).
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Re: ...no RG or no Wimby?

I'd rather win Wimbledon.

But if there was one slam I could live without most it would be AO.

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Elementary economics, the value of the next grand slam is greater when you have zero than when you have a strictly positive number of titles already in the bank.

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Re: ...no RG or no Wimby?

Wimbledon is almost universally recognized as the most prestigious event in tennis; it's the oldest, and has the most history and tradition. Furthermore, the *truly* great ones (Borg, Sampras, etc) all dominated there. If you have to pick, you definitely want that one imo.

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Wimbledon is almost universally recognized as the most prestigious event in tennis; it's the oldest, and has the most history and tradition. Furthermore, the *truly* great ones (Borg, Sampras, etc) all dominated there. If you have to pick, you definitely want that one imo.
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