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Which Records Will Go?

The important tennis records (strictly in the open era) that I can think of are:
1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)
2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105)
3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4)
4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6)
5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7)
6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5)
7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5)
8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17)
9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977)
10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286)
11. Most Consecutive Weeks At No. 1 - Connors (160)
12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6)
13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46)
14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29)
15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting)
16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting)
17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56)

Which records do you think the members of the current generation can break if they haven't done so already?

For me:
1 - Federer has a good chance
2 - Absolutely no chance of being broken.
3 - Federer is already half way there so he has a chance. Nadal should also do well on rebound ace so maybe he'll have a chance
4 - Nadal looks unstoppable on clay at the moment. He is still a long way off but he definately has a chance
5 - Federer has a good chance as he has no serious challengers on grass
6 - Again Federer has a good chance as he is streets ahead on the fast surfaces.
7 - I can't see this being broken. Federer will get close but I think he'll just fall short.
8 - Federer and Nadal have a great chance. I would be very surprised if both of them didn't surpass this record.
9 - I can't see this being broken as this would require a long schedule and next to no defeats.
10 - I can't see this being broken
11 - Federer is certain to break this record
12 - I can't see this being broken
13 - Federer got to 35 in a row last year before losing the Shanghai final. I don't think he'll get any closer than that. This record should survive.
14 - Federer got to 27 in a row before losing the French Open final. Again, I think he's missed his best shot and that this record will survive.
15 - Nadal should continue to add significantly to this record
16 - Federer should continue to add significantly to this record.
17 - Can't see this being broken for the forseeable future.

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OMG...just looking at those is putting a strain on my brain
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Agree with most of what you said. Can't see Federer surpassing 4 AO titles. At best he might equal that but he won't win 5.

Number 13 is so irritating. Federer had 51 victories with only 1 defeat and that defeat was 6-7 in the fifth set when he was 30-0 serving for the match. It's a shame he couldn't take that match and that record but i guess you can't win 'em all even if you are Roger.

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All is possible in futures! Fews records is hard to be break because tennis is different.

1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)

I think that Federer will break it.

2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105)

Nah! Will survive by many years!

3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4)

Will be break! Maybe not by Federer, but any good player can beat this record. Is'nt important.

4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6)

It's hard, maybe Nadal.

5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7)

It's hard too, maybe Federer.

6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5)

Federer is close, depend of next years.

7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5)

I don't believe it in next years.

8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17)

Federer and Nadal will break it.

9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977)

Nah! Never!

10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286)

I don't know. I hope not! It's bad to ATP!

11. Most Consecutive Weeks At No. 1 - Connors (160)

Federer

12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6)

Hard but not impossible!

13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46)

Maybe, I don't know.

14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29)

Not in next years!

15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting)

Impossible. I don't believe in next (maybe 50) years.

16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting)

It's more easy beat this record, but it's very hard.

17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56)

Maybe, I don't know. It's HARD.

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I think Federer will break the masters series record but I don't think he will hold that recod for long. Assuming he plays for a long while Nadal should end up with a gross amount of Masters Series titles. He has already won more than everyone barring Chang, Muster, Federer, Sampras and Agassi. Assuming he wins an average of at least 3 every two years (1.5 per year) for the next 4 years he will have 12 by the time he is 23/24. If he can keep dominating clay like he is now for 2 more years he will have probably 14 in 4 years time.

All of these are subject to change though, who knows what will happen in the future? I certainly don't.

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Agree with most of what you said. Can't see Federer surpassing 4 AO titles. At best he might equal that but he won't win 5.

Number 13 is so irritating. Federer had 51 victories with only 1 defeat and that defeat was 6-7 in the fifth set when he was 30-0 serving for the match. It's a shame he couldn't take that match and that record but i guess you can't win 'em all even if you are Roger.
I don't agree. When you see how he plays on rebound ace (cf last davis cup tie) I can certainly imagine him winning 3-4 more titles in australia. I don't think he has less chances than beating the 5 usopen titles record!
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I don't agree. When you see how he plays on rebound ace (cf last davis cup tie) I can certainly imagine him winning 3-4 more titles in australia. I don't think he has less chances than beating the 5 usopen titles record!
More players can beat him on the AO surface than on the US Open surface.

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More players can beat him on the AO surface than on the US Open surface.
Like who, except rafa!?!
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Why in hell nobody won AO more than 4 times???
Can it be put down to the early start of the season, horrid weather conditions(heat, humidity,etc.), constantly changing surface which makes it difficult to adjust?
I don't think it's a record worth mentioning;
Roger may never win it again, it's fine with me

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Masters Series record is a great thing but in the long run it's meaningless: They didn't exist before 1990 and will disapear soon...
Fed should beat the Sampras records, these matter the most, especially with his game. Some of the others are more anecdotic than anythin. You didn't mention the finals in a row record (24) of Fed but it's a huge feat.

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In order of likelihood:

11. Most Consecutive Weeks At No. 1 - Connors (160) : Federer in Feb 2006.
8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17) : Federer/Nadal almost certain in career.

5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7) :Federer possiby.
6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5) :Federer possiby.
7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5) :Federer possiby.
1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14) : Federer possibly.
4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6) : Nadal possibly.

3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4) : Federer outside chance



10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286) : Unlikely, but possibly Federer.
12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6) : Doubt it.

15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting) : Very unlikely.
16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting) : Very unlikely.
17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56) : Very unlikely.
2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105) : Very unlikely.

13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46) : Almost impossible.
9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977) : Almost impossible.
14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29) : Almost impossible.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Why in hell nobody won AO more than 4 times???
Record only relates to the Open era.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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The important tennis records (strictly in the open era) that I can think of are:
1. Most Grand Slam Titles - Sampras (14)
2. Most Career Titles - Connors (105)
3. Most Australian Open Titles - Agassi (4)
4. Most French Open Titles - Borg (6)
5. Most Wimbledon Titles - Sampras (7)
6. Most US Open Titles - Connors and Sampras (5)
7. Most Masters Cup Titles - Lendl and Sampras (5)
8. Most Masters Series Titles - Agassi (17)
9. Most Titles In A Season - Vilas (16 in 1977)
10. Most Weeks At No. 1 - Sampras (286)
11. Most Consecutive Weeks At No. 1 - Connors (160)
12. Most Years Ended At No. 1 - Sampras (6)
13. Most Consecutive Victories - Vilas (46)
14. Most Consecutive Victories (Grand Slams) - Laver (29)
15. Most Consecutive Victories (Clay) - Nadal (62 and counting)
16. Most Consecutive Victories (Grass) - Federer (48 and counting)
17. Most Consecutive Victories (Hard) - Federer (56)

Which records do you think the members of the current generation can break if they haven't done so already?

For me:
1 - Federer has a good chance
2 - Absolutely no chance of being broken.
3 - Federer is already half way there so he has a chance. Nadal should also do well on rebound ace so maybe he'll have a chance
4 - Nadal looks unstoppable on clay at the moment. He is still a long way off but he definately has a chance
5 - Federer has a good chance as he has no serious challengers on grass
6 - Again Federer has a good chance as he is streets ahead on the fast surfaces.
7 - I can't see this being broken. Federer will get close but I think he'll just fall short.
8 - Federer and Nadal have a great chance. I would be very surprised if both of them didn't surpass this record.
9 - I can't see this being broken as this would require a long schedule and next to no defeats.
10 - I can't see this being broken
11 - Federer is certain to break this record
12 - I can't see this being broken
13 - Federer got to 35 in a row last year before losing the Shanghai final. I don't think he'll get any closer than that. This record should survive.
14 - Federer got to 27 in a row before losing the French Open final. Again, I think he's missed his best shot and that this record will survive.
15 - Nadal should continue to add significantly to this record
16 - Federer should continue to add significantly to this record.
17 - Can't see this being broken for the forseeable future.


You miss 1 record to mention:


Most win in single calendar year - Vilas (I don't know 145 or 128, ATP claims Vilas is 128-14, but many media claims 145-14)

I think Vilas is underrated!
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Federer can break all records except for the 6 titles at French Open.
The most difficult one is the 105 title-record.

Nadal may have a chance of beating the 6-titles French Open record.

16 titles in one season is also very difficult.
I think, if Federer wants this record he gets it.
But I don't think, it's really important for him.
Like some other records.

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Federer can break all records except for the 6 titles at French Open.
The most difficult one is the 105 title-record.

Nadal may have a chance of beating the 6-titles French Open record.

16 titles in one season is also very difficult.
I think, if Federer wants this record he gets it.
But I don't think, it's really important for him.
Like some other records.

Masters Series Race Systems limits the players to win more titles.
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