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Am I the only one a little upset that Dmitry Tursunov socked it to the U.S. in Davis Cup when he's basically from California? I am all for "The Land of Opportunity," but it would be nice to see one of these players give back -- like Monica Seles or Martina Navratilova. Yes, I'm talking about Maria Sharapova, too. Good God, neither of them even have an accent.
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I wrote a piece in this week's Sports Illustrated on this very topic. Tursunov is a fascinating case study. The guy is the Russian hero who conquers the U.S. in Davis Cup. He celebrates with his "countrymen" and then he returns to the place he's called home for the last half of his life: suburban Sacramento. Sharapova, Nicole Vaidisova, Tatiana Golovin ... legion are the players who compete under a different country code but are essentially naturalized Americans.

As I see it, citizenship is intensely personal. If Sharapova or Tursunov or whomever wants to emulate Seles and Navratilova and try to become an "American," great. It would end the chicken littles' lament that American tennis is on life support. If they want only to be residents and sustain their ties to Russian, that's fine too.

I do think that in this age of the-world-is-flat globalization, international competitions have lost a lot of their relevance. The whole of a "foreign athlete" -- whether it's Romanian gymnasts in Houston, the Brazilian soccer star in Madrid, a Chinese basketball star in Houston (or a German in Dallas or a Frenchman in San Antonio) or the bevy of tennis players in Monaco -- has never been murkier.

I would think it would be hard to get too excited about the Russians' triumph when two of the stars haven't lived in the country since they were boys. (Marat Safin, who left to train in Spain as a junior, now resides in Monte Carlo.) Likewise, why get so worked up about the dearth of Americans in tennis' upper reaches when half the top players are -- officially or not -- based here?

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Re: More Worthless garbage :o

talk about total rubbish
he's got no idea what so ever, just like 99% of all yanks.
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Re: Worthless: Russian DC win doesnt mean much as Safin and Tursunov dont live there :o

If the U.S. government hadn't make things so difficult for Dima to get his American citizenship back in the day, they wouldn't be whining right now. Now it's too late.

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Re: Worthless: Russian DC win doesnt mean much as Safin and Tursunov dont live there :o

He's got a point though.
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Re: Worthless: Russian DC win doesnt mean much as Safin and Tursunov dont live there :o

Hahahaha, yes like the time the Swedes made the final 7 times in a row and the team lived in Monaco or London and none of them resided in Sweden. Yes, that made the achievement less notable.

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On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Worthless: Russian DC win doesnt mean much as Safin and Tursunov dont live there :o

does this mean that Monte Carlo should have its own Davis Cup team(s) made up of people who live there?

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Re: Worthless: Russian DC win doesnt mean much as Safin and Tursunov dont live there :o

what he wants is to make all those "foreigners" that train there US Citizens

yeah go the easy way, go pinch players of other nations cos the US cant produce their own
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I would think it would be hard to get too excited about the Russians' triumph when two of the stars haven't lived in the country since they were boys. (Marat Safin, who left to train in Spain as a junior, now resides in Monte Carlo.)
He even forgot to name Davydenko and possibly Andreev to make his point stronger. Nice work Wertheim.

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He even forgot to name Davydenko and possibly Andreev to make his point stronger. Nice work Wertheim.
Davydenko in Germany and Andreev in Spain, but if they played a role in this tie they'd have got a mention.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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does this mean that Monte Carlo should have its own Davis Cup team(s) made up of people who live there?

It would have to be better than Lisnard and Balleret. It would potentially be a great team

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: Worthless: Russian DC win doesnt mean much as Safin and Tursunov dont live there :o

i can't help but notice how "Americanized" Tursunov (& sharapova...who is no kind of Russian) are...it does sort of make me wish they would represent.

...eh but what are you going to do?

the U.S has a great team anyway.

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Re: Worthless: Russian DC win doesnt mean much as Safin and Tursunov dont live there :o

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He's got a point though.
Which is what exactly?
It's just a pathetic attempt to minimalize Russia's victory, that's all. This argument always annoys the hell out of me because what people fail/refuse to understand is all players he mentioned WOULD be citizens if it wasn't so damn hard. Dima has lived in the US for 12 years and he can't fuckin' get so much as a green card, how is he supposed to be a citizen?

And it's hard to get excited about this win? What? Just ask ANY russian you know about the excitiment level this tie produced. And i LOVE how he brings up Marat living in Monte Carlo; as tursunov said recently, "residence" is such a loose term for tennis players, because they don't ever spend more than one month in the same place.


It's just you don't want to have a lot of expectations, because when you start to have a lot of expectations you just end up losing in the third round to God knows who. ~Marat Safin, summarizing his career

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i can't help but notice how "Americanized" Tursunov & sharapova are...it does sort of make me wish they would represent the way & place they choose to live which has given them much.


...eh but what are you going to do?

the U.S has a great team anyway.
Have you ever read about Tursunov's problems in getting citizenship? He wanted to do it ages ago, but they dropped the ball and Tursunov didn't bother with it.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Have you ever read about Tursunov's problems in getting citizenship? He wanted to do it ages ago, but they dropped the ball and Tursunov didn't bother with it.
actually i was not aware & at this stage i wouldn't put any kind of fuck up past the U.S government & i wouldn't blame anyone not wanting to represent them...

i just meant i notice it and thought it -interesting.
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Re: Worthless: Russian DC win doesnt mean much as Safin and Tursunov dont live there :o

Do you research Worthless.

Tursunov about citizenship issues.

Q. The annual question, what is your status with citizenship with the US? Still up in the air?

DIMITRY TURSUNOV: Yes. It's in the works.

Q. Is it any further along than last year?

DIMITRY TURSUNOV: I have no idea. It's something a lawyer would answer. I've stopped a long time ago asking those questions. It's something if it happens it happens.

Q. Got to be frustrating. You've been doing it for two or three years?

DIMITRY TURSUNOV: Actually, it's been since -- ever since I came over. So it's been 10 years. There has been some mishaps with applications. So now I guess maybe there's some sort of red flag along with my portfolio. It's more difficult for me to get it than, let's say, for someone who just shows up. Yeah, I mean, I've missed two or three tournaments this year because I couldn't get the visa for the country. I do get fined for that, surprisingly. It's not really my fault, but there is a firm rule that says if you're entered into a tournament, you miss it without pulling out at a certain time, you do get fined.

Q. So you're traveling under a Russian passport?

DIMITRY TURSUNOV: Russian passport. I stay in America with the visa. It is frustrating, but what can you do?

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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