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Sydney R2: Thiem def. Elias 6-7(5-7), 6-3, 7-5

Thiem was mediocre for most of the match. he started well but that didnt last long., while elias did play pretty well. Gastao did seem to be getting tired toward the end, which is pretty lucky for thiem because this might have gone another way if he hadnt.this wasnt a high quality match but it was entertaining, mostly because of elias and his fight, which is admirable.

this match is i guess what was to be expected, gastao always gives thiem trouble.

however early on signs this year are not good for thiem. his return is still a joke. he's still camping way to far behind the baseline and he's still leaking errors. he's just murdering the ball and hoping. basically he's picking up where he left off form wise last season. The worrying thing is now his mental game seems to be getting worse because of the number of times he's being broken while ahead and quite easily.

I've gotten criticized in the live score updates for hating thiem without reason. however its hard to like someone who looks like they are playing baseball 90% of the time . he has no plan B for when things arent going well. he just hopes to out power the other guy. thats not a good game plan. he may need a coaching change, bresnik may have taken him as far as he can. his fitness is incredible but it doesnt seem like he's helping in any other category

he's lucky the field here isnt strong but on this performance i still dont see him winning because there are guys here far better than elias such as troicki and kohlschreiber. and if he doesnt really up his level i dont see him doing anything at the australian open. it'll be another early exit at a slam and he might be in for a fall this year
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Re: Sydney R2: [1] Thiem def. Elias 6-7(5) 6-3 7-5

I've never seen anyone put so much physical effort into every one of their shots like Thiem does. How much energy did he just use to win one round of a 250? It's exhausting just watching him repeatedly try to belt the cover off every shot. It's kind of amazing how dull his offensive baselining is because it's so one dimensional. His rallying style is utterly absurd, he's like a Ferrer with his groundstrokes with more power. He's never going to beat an elite defender when he rarely uses angles or "earns" his winner attempts.

Elias' defence was off the charts, he just had enough free points from his serve to convert his breaks.
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Re: Sydney R2: [1] Thiem def. Elias 6-7(5) 6-3 7-5

thiem pulled through in the end ..but he was very wastefull.Great great fight from elias ,the guy gave it everything he got,murray like defense.

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Re: Sydney R2: [1] Thiem def. Elias 6-7(5) 6-3 7-5

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I've never seen anyone put so much physical effort into every one of their shots like Thiem does. How much energy did he just use to win one round of a 250? It's exhausting just watching him repeatedly try to belt the cover off every shot. It's kind of amazing how dull his offensive baselining is because it's so one dimensional. His rallying style is utterly absurd, he's like a Ferrer with his groundstrokes with more power. He's never going to beat an elite defender when he rarely uses angles or "earns" his winner attempts.

Elias' defence was off the charts, he just had enough free points from his serve to convert his breaks.
agree with all of this. he's just got no patience.
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I guess the situation was really confusing on court today:

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I was supporting Thiem throughout the match, but I'm really gutted for Elias now His fighting was so inspirational, especially the point at 1-1 6-5 0-15 which was peak Djokovic level of defense. He really poured his heart into the match, unfortunately he suffers a third heartbreaker against Thiem.

Thiem....I guess it wasn't the worst match he's ever played, but the lack of strategy was quite worrying. Peak control of match time( my stream was timed to stop at 170 minutes, he won the MP with BH CC winner at 169.5 )

The match was up and down in quality, nice drama at the end though. Would be a miracle if Thiem beats Evans tomorrow, it's already midnight at Sydney and he's scheduled to play in 18 hours.
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I guess the situation was really confusing on court today:

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I guess the situation was really confusing on court today:

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I've never seen anyone put so much physical effort into every one of their shots like Thiem does. How much energy did he just use to win one round of a 250? It's exhausting just watching him repeatedly try to belt the cover off every shot. It's kind of amazing how dull his offensive baselining is because it's so one dimensional. His rallying style is utterly absurd, he's like a Ferrer with his groundstrokes with more power. He's never going to beat an elite defender when he rarely uses angles or "earns" his winner attempts.

Elias' defence was off the charts, he just had enough free points from his serve to convert his breaks.
Agree with all this.

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I've never seen anyone put so much physical effort into every one of their shots like Thiem does. How much energy did he just use to win one round of a 250? It's exhausting just watching him repeatedly try to belt the cover off every shot. It's kind of amazing how dull his offensive baselining is because it's so one dimensional. His rallying style is utterly absurd, he's like a Ferrer with his groundstrokes with more power. He's never going to beat an elite defender when he rarely uses angles or "earns" his winner attempts.

Elias' defence was off the charts, he just had enough free points from his serve to convert his breaks.
well maybe this elias match where gastao defended like a madman will be a good training for dominic ,when and if he goes up against the likes of murray djokovic nadal.I fail to see any resemblance between thiem s groundstrokes and ferrers though.

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I was supporting Thiem throughout the match, but I'm really gutted for Elias now His fighting was so inspirational, especially the point at 1-1 6-5 15-15 which was peak Djokovic level of defense. He really poured his heart into the match, unfortunately he suffers a third heartbreaker against Thiem.

Thiem....I guess it wasn't the worst match he's ever played, but the lack of strategy was quite worrying. Peak control of match time( my stream was timed to stop at 170 minutes, he won the MP with BH CC winner at 169.5 )

The match was up and down in quality, nice drama at the end though. Would be a miracle if Thiem beats Evans tomorrow, it's already midnight at Sydney and he's scheduled to play in 18 hours.
id give evans a better chance on a faster court where his style of game would work better. he's beaten guys like tomic, nishikori on faster courts but im not sure he will win here. he's kind of chokey too. i guess a lot will depend on how thiem recovers. if he's tired evans certainly has a shot
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Once again a very close encounter between the two with Thiem eventually winning. He wasn't at his best today, so hopefully he'll be able to lift his level for the next rounds. Elias on the other hand played some great tennis at times and made things tough as usual for Thiem.

That said I don't think todays form will be an accurate indicator for the AO, Thiem even had to face MPs against Elias in BA and beat Nadal and a well playing Almagro afterwards.
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well maybe this elias match where gastao defended like a madman will be a good training for dominic ,when and if he goes up against the likes of murray djokovic nadal.I fail to see any resemblance between thiem s groundstrokes and ferrers though.
In terms of being very FH dependent and like to camp in the BH corner to hit FHs, they are similar in that respect. I do agree from this match he needs to use more variety especially on hardcourt, trying to hit around, rather than through his opponents, he'll probably find better control of the pt that way. Part of it is his extreme grip/motion, another is just tactics. Still Elias defended extremely well, like a Simon/Djokovic hybrid, not easy to be blasted away.

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I've never seen anyone put so much physical effort into every one of their shots like Thiem does. How much energy did he just use to win one round of a 250? It's exhausting just watching him repeatedly try to belt the cover off every shot. It's kind of amazing how dull his offensive baselining is because it's so one dimensional. His rallying style is utterly absurd, he's like a Ferrer with his groundstrokes with more power. He's never going to beat an elite defender when he rarely uses angles or "earns" his winner attempts.

Elias' defence was off the charts, he just had enough free points from his serve to convert his breaks.
The stupid thing is that Thiem got his breaks of serve through playing a bit more conservatively. He is perfectly capable of constructing points and using heavy forehands to break his opponents down and draw the opening. For some reason though he doesn't stick to this strategy and quickly reverts to ball bashing mode.
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