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Wow the six time champion who has only lost once there in 6 years is the favourite? Truly stunning.

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Firstly, Federer has a similar gap (Wim 03-12). Djokovic has to surpass Fedal in that regard, else he is stuck on 13 at most :P

Secondly, Sampras has the biggest gap in the Open era, obviously (shame on you for forgetting). 12 years between USO '90 and USO '02. That's really tough to beat. A good reminder that Sampras continues to hold a couple great records and statistics that the big 3 haven't sniffed.
Great record for Sampras which Nadal could equal this year if he wins the FO.
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Firstly, Federer has a similar gap (Wim 03-12). Djokovic has to surpass Fedal in that regard, else he is stuck on 13 at most :P

Secondly, Sampras has the biggest gap in the Open era, obviously (shame on you for forgetting). 12 years between USO '90 and USO '02. That's really tough to beat. A good reminder that Sampras continues to hold a couple great records and statistics that the big 3 haven't sniffed.
I stand corrected. Sampras' record will not be beaten, I don't think. Jaw-dropping, really. Shame on me for forgetting.

I shouldn't have forgotten Federer's gap, either. It was commented on when he won in 2012.

In my defense: it was early in the morning and I was multi-tasking.

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And rightfully so. Number 1 doesn't take away the fact that the number 2 plays the best tennis at the AO by a country mile, until proven otherwise.

He'll be the bookies favourite at Wimbledon, but that's it for now.

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Rightly so. Unless Djokovic had shown some absolutely disastrous signs after his off season and in warm up tournaments, he should still be favourite for the Australian Open. Even if Murray had won Doha, I would ahve considered Djokovic slight favourite as long as he looked as though he was able to play.

If it were Wimbledon then I could see Murray being favourite ahead of Djokovic if they were in similar circumstances as they are right now, but not the Australian Open.
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Rightly so. Unless Djokovic had shown some absolutely disastrous signs after his off season and in warm up tournaments, he should still be favourite for the Australian Open. Even if Murray had won Doha, I would ahve considered Djokovic slight favourite as long as he looked as though he was able to play.

If it were Wimbledon then I could see Murray being favourite ahead of Djokovic if they were in similar circumstances as they are right now, but not the Australian Open.


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Ah so Federer is the favourite for wimbledon then?
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Ah so Federer is the favourite for wimbledon then?
Federer is past his prime, Djokovic isn't.
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And Djokotards collectively cream their pants

Djokovic is a six time champion at Australia. Of course he's the favourite. That doesn't mean he's going to win it.

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Federer is past his prime, Djokovic isn't.
you were the one simplifying this to a numbers game.

Anyways I agree Novak is the favourite.
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you were the one simplifying this to a numbers game.

Anyways I agree Novak is the favourite.
In case of Djokovic vs Murray numbers are relevant enough to indicate that Murray shouldn't be the favorite at Wimbledon.
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I stand corrected. Sampras' record will not be beaten, I don't think. Jaw-dropping, really. Shame on me for forgetting.

I shouldn't have forgotten Federer's gap, either. It was commented on when he won in 2012.

In my defense: it was early in the morning and I was multi-tasking.
Novak will be 32 at the 2020 AO, no reason he can't equal or beat Sampras on that score. (12 years apart)
Agassi was winning this thing nearly 33 as well, and Novak is even better at the AO.
ON the AO betting odds, it is still even stevens on the local markets:

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2008.

He would match Nadal winning RG in 2005 and 2014.

I hadn't realised that. Is that the biggest gap ever?
When I say "gap" I mean when you win a tournament and don't win it again until many years later.
So if Nadal won the French Open this year, it wouldn't be a big gap (2014 to 2017).
That's why I brought up Nadal winning the AO in 2009, never winning it since then, until 2017.
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When I say "gap" I mean when you win a tournament and don't win it again until many years later.
So if Nadal won the French Open this year, it wouldn't be a big gap (2014 to 2017).
That's why I brought up Nadal winning the AO in 2009, never winning it since then, until 2017.
Ah! Ok. I misunderstood. Thanks for the clarification. I really was half asleep. Sorry.
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Post-prime Djokovic will undoubtedly debut this season. The different may be too subtle to notice at his favorite tournament, the AO, but it will be evident nonetheless. His unprecedented dominance from '14 WTF to '16 FO was the result of extremely good conditioning and mental strength, great coaching, the declining form of Federer and Nadal, and a prodigious mental edge over his main rival Murray. In my highly biased opinion, it wasn't the heights of form that were unprecedented during this period, but that he continued to win against good opponents even when he was playing badly. His absurd ELO rating will not be equalled by anyone (including Djokovic) for a few years at least. Therefore, Djokovic being the betting favorite at slams this year while #2 in the rankings shouldn't surprise anyone. The expectedly unexpected dip in form that allowed Murray to gain 8000 points last year should correct itself before long. But he will never again be as good (relative to the field) as he was then. Digging that deep for so long takes a toll on the body and mind. Plus the field will likely get progressively stronger from now on.
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