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True all court players of the game left?

Seems to be a dying breed these days, which is a shame since they are probably the most entertaining styles to watch. The only players that I can think of are Roger Federer, Tommy Haas, Ivan L., Lletyon Hewitt and possibly Marat Safin. I hate watching players like Davydenko, Ferrer and Nadal who just stay back at the baseline and wear their opponents down. Theres probably a few players I've missed, so please enlighten me
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Re: True all court players of the game left?

Lleyton isn't more "all court" than Nadal in my book.
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Seems to be a dying breed these days, which is a shame since they are probably the most entertaining styles to watch. The only players that I can think of are Roger Federer, Tommy Haas, Ivan L., Lletyon Hewitt and possibly Marat Safin. I hate watching players like Davydenko, Ferrer and Nadal who just stay back at the baseline and wear their opponents down. Theres probably a few players I've missed, so please enlighten me
Ivan L. an all court player? He's a grass court gimp, and he lost in the 1st round of the USO. if thats "all court" more like no court. His FO was a fluke.

Richard Gasquet will be of of the better all court players in 2 years time, if he improves his fitness. His game is well suited to all surfaces, especially grass and hard court. Again not a grand slam contender, as it is 5 sets buddy.

Marcos Baghdatis also shows some signs of being able to play on all courts- again fitness an issue (somehow with these youngsterS?). He just needs to stop playing from the baseline, and attack the net more. Less UEs the better MArcos!

Andy murray won't be a contender for GS anytime soon as he needs to grow a brain and can't duke it out over many 5 set matches (which all champions inevitably need to do to win Grand Slams). He has the game for all court, with the exception of clay (no real results), but may be fast clay OK.

All 3 players will break into top 10 as they will train hard for the next 6 months to improve fitness, and as their bodies grow older they will develop natural all body strength.

I see by end of the 2007 year the top 10 will be:

"The real top 10"

1. ROGER FEDERER
2. RAFAEL NADAL
3. ANDY RODDICK
4. JAMES BLAKE
5. N. DAVYDENKO
6. MARIO ANCIC
7. MARCOS BAGHDATIS
8. RICHARD GASQUET
9. ANDY MURRAY
10. TOMAS BERDYCH/ Tommy haas


I see robredo, nalby, ljubo's game's declining/deteriorating. Davydenko will remain top 5 due to sheer volume of tournaments played, whereas these youngsters aren't as fit as him.

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Ivan L. an all court player? He's a grass court gimp, and he lost in the 1st round of the USO. if thats "all court" more like no court. His FO was a fluke.
He's still an all court player. You don't have to be a great player to be all court.

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Yeah, I put Ivan there cause he has a pretty good volley and also a solid baseline game. That doesn't mean I think he is any good though. In my opinion Hewitt has one of the better volleys in the game but he rarely does it, and often comes in behind weak approach shots.
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Add my name to the list....

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add Roddick to the list

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Ivan L. an all court player? He's a grass court gimp, and he lost in the 1st round of the USO. if thats "all court" more like no court. His FO was a fluke.

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add Roddick to the list
Since when did Roddick know how to volly?

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Top 5 all court players:

1) R. Federer - only player who looks comfortable all over court.
2) M. Ancic - seems capable of serve & volley and baseline games. If remains fit expect in top 5 next year.
3) R. Gasquet - comfortable all over the court. Probably too defensive most of the time although at grass court event at Nottingham (won last 2 years) used serve and volley a lot. If fit expect in top 10 next year.
4) D. Nalbandian - can play from anywhere in court. Needs to improve serve to fully utilise all court game.
equal 5) M. Baghdatis - mostly at baseline, but can move forward and volley.
equal 5) A. Roddick - does actually end numerous points at net, but volley skills suspect. To many a surprise choice, bu Roddick is one of the more attacking players in game.

On other top 10 players:
Nadal - better volley skills than A. Roddick, but more defensive attitude. Therefore, tends to focus on baseline defense from deep behind baseline and hits with too much top spin.
Davydenko - actually takes ball early and plays near baseline, but limited volley skills mean he avoids going forward and making his life much easier.
Ljubicic - has the power game to open net opportunities, but limited volley skills and not a great mover.
Robredo - just tries to power through opponents from baseline. Not sure how good he is at the net.
Blake - usually tries to hit outright winners from baseline rather than creating chances to move forward. Volley OK, but nothing special.
Haas- much happier at baseline, but has reasonable volley skills.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 19 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 26 Master Series.
Nadal 15 GS, 30 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 12 GS, 5 Year End Masters, 30 Master Series.


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Seems to be a dying breed these days, which is a shame since they are probably the most entertaining styles to watch. The only players that I can think of are Roger Federer, Tommy Haas, Ivan L., Lletyon Hewitt and possibly Marat Safin. I hate watching players like Davydenko, Ferrer and Nadal who just stay back at the baseline and wear their opponents down. Theres probably a few players I've missed, so please enlighten me
Amazed no Mario Ancic.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 19 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 26 Master Series.
Nadal 15 GS, 30 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 12 GS, 5 Year End Masters, 30 Master Series.


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Re: True all court players of the game left?

Federer
Gasquet
Ancic
Haas
Safin
Baghdatis
Nalbandian
Stepanek
Hewitt
Henman
Malisse
Santoro

And others....

Nadal is rapidly becoming one.

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Amazed no Mario Ancic.
his results on all surfaces proves him all-rounder and one of the last there trying to play serve-volley more often.
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Ljubicic is good, so is Stepanek, Ancic.

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Top 5 all court players:

1) R. Federer - only player who looks comfortable all over court.
2) M. Ancic - seems capable of serve & volley and baseline games. If remains fit expect in top 5 next year.
3) R. Gasquet - comfortable all over the court. Probably too defensive most of the time although at grass court event at Nottingham (won last 2 years) used serve and volley a lot. If fit expect in top 10 next year.
4) D. Nalbandian - can play from anywhere in court. Needs to improve serve to fully utilise all court game.
equal 5) M. Baghdatis - mostly at baseline, but can move forward and volley.
equal 5) A. Roddick - does actually end numerous points at net, but volley skills suspect. To many a surprise choice, bu Roddick is one of the more attacking players in game.

On other top 10 players:
Nadal - better volley skills than A. Roddick, but more defensive attitude. Therefore, tends to focus on baseline defense from deep behind baseline and hits with too much top spin.
Davydenko - actually takes ball early and plays near baseline, but limited volley skills mean he avoids going forward and making his life much easier.
Ljubicic - has the power game to open net opportunities, but limited volley skills and not a great mover.
Robredo - just tries to power through opponents from baseline. Not sure how good he is at the net.
Blake - usually tries to hit outright winners from baseline rather than creating chances to move forward. Volley OK, but nothing special.
Haas- much happier at baseline, but has reasonable volley skills.

HAHAHAHA Roddick an all court player and one of the more attacking players in the game? That slice backhand is really deadly
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