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If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005).....

.....does that mean Agassi in his physical prime would dominate Federer?

I believe so. The main thing about Sampras that troubled Agassi was the incredible serving (since it takes away Agassi's return of serve). Federer's serve is great but not on the Sampras level. Off the ground Agassi would be able to control Federer if in his physical prime. I've seen stretches where 35-year-old Agassi completely pushed Federer back behind the baseline and made him run (see last year's final, Agassi won the 2nd set 6-2 and got up a break in the 3rd set). In his prime Agassi would have been able to keep that up for 3 sets and finish him off.

Also add the factor of Brad Gilbert as Agassi's coach and you have a much better tactiCOOL player than the one coached by one-dimensional darren cahill.

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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005)....

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.....does that mean Agassi in his physical prime would dominate Federer?

I believe so. The main thing about Sampras that troubled Agassi was the incredible serving (since it takes away Agassi's return of serve).
Well, I think that Agassi also had a mental block while playing Sampras, while Sampras was extra motivated to play his absolute best while playing Agassi.

I agree with you somewhat, though, about Agassi vs. Federer. I don't think that Agassi would have dominated Federer, but they could have been on equal footing, if Agassi was mentally ready to play Federer.
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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005)....

I think Agassi has trouble moving to his forehand during the last few years while 10 years ago he could move any direction swiftly. Also his court speed has reduced over the years. He is stronger but slower. And I have no doubt his tactics have become more predictable since Brad Gilbert left. Theres a lot of ground missing against Fedex that would be made up by the last 5-10 years.

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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005).....

I doubt he would dominate him, but several of their close matches could have their outcome changed
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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005).....

Even though Agassi is a little slower around the court, his consistency was never as good in the past and his serve wasn't so strong, so Federer would still have come out on top. Federer is the best ever, you should never doubt that.
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Even though Agassi is a little slower around the court, his consistency was never as good in the past and his serve wasn't so strong, so Federer would still have come out on top. Federer is the best ever, you should never doubt that.

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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005).....

Agassi peaked long ago, and he never advanced, but he didnt fade much either as he made #1 only about 3 years ago. That is pretty recent. I wouldnt say he was declining, but his prime was not as good as now since his prime was against weak players.
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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005).....

If Federer had actually tried, those scorelines would have been vastly different.

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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005).....

I don't think domination...but I am almost certain that Agassi would have a better head to head record...The Agassi of 1999-2002...when he was at his peak physically would win six of ten matches...on almost any surface...Like you said...an aging Agassi almost beat Roger last year...imagine an Agassi at his peak...a scary thought indeed...
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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005).....

he would have lost to federer just like he lost last year


just like he loses to sampras


his mindset is such that hes a great frontrunner, but when he gets into trouble patches he can let that derail his game and talent.

It has nothing to do with his talent, it has to do with his mindset. Its what prevented him from achieving the next level and have double digit grand slams earlier in his career. Agassi is what he is, a guy who is "great", but surpassed in actual results by sampras, borg, federer, hell even lendl.



Agassi of 1995 would have pushed federer also, but would have inevitably found a way to make unforced errors at crucial times (with steam rising from that bald head of his), and he would have continued to press by attempting to speed up play.

He was actually most mentally mature later in his career.


This is why imo he is not in the "top tier" of all time greats, but rather right on the doorstep.
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Agassi is what he is, a guy who is "great", but surpassed in actual results by sampras, borg, federer, hell even lendl.
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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005)....

Federer shouldn't be placed among the top tier of all-time greats. Once Nadal hits his prime (next year?) Federer may never win a slam again, even Wimbledon which Nadal is already almost winning at age 20. Agassi's 8 slams are only great because he's the only man EVER to win all 4 slams on 4 different surfaces. Federer still has work to do if he wants to join Agassi.

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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005).....

I would rather give the chance to Marat Safin , He would be much better if he didn't injury, to be honest, he has much more chances against the Mighty Fed,
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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005)....

only problem with this theory is that agassi barely got past todd martin at his peak in 1999

tennis isnt decided by some formula or pattern you freaking nerds

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Re: If old man Agassi can take Fedex to a 5th set (2004) and win a set 6-2 (2005).....

Surely on any given day it is possible for a player to take a set off another even by a dominating scoreline.. old or not. Frankly the fact Agassi managed to take him to 5 sets and and win one off him 6-2 really proves very little.

For the record I think that Agassi would have always struggled with Federer. Just got a feeling that even a prime Agassi would find it mentally difficult facing Federer, although I feel he would have had more success... 3 games out of every 10 prime for prime maybe (assuming Federer has reached his).
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