20 y.o. Nadal (2 GS+9 TMS)/10 TMS soon >>> Sampras (16 TMS life, 1 GS @ age 21) - MensTennisForums.com
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20 y.o. Nadal (2 GS+9 TMS)/10 TMS soon >>> Sampras (16 TMS life, 1 GS @ age 21)

Nadal won his first slam at age 19y1w earlier than Pete won his first slam at age 19y1m.


It is general consensus that Sampras is more talented than Agassi who didnt win his first slam until he was 22 and won 5 of his 9 slams after that age of 29. (while it may disputed, I still think that Michael Chang is the most talented player in history)

Samprass in April 1993 when Pete reached #1 ranking for the first time at age 21, this was his recrod at the time, and he has acompplished much more than Roddick/Aggassi did at age 21 without question.
Slam - 1 (US Open)
Master Cup - 1
Masters - 2 (Cinncinati, Miami)
Titles - 16


Nadal at 20y3m and now #2 in the world
Slam - 2 (French Open)
Masters - 6
Titles - 17


(for comparison: Hewitt in June 2003 @ age 22, the last time he was #1)
Slam - 2 (US Open, Wimbledon)
Master Cup - 2
Masters - 2 (Indian Wells)
Titles - 19

It seems that Nadal has achieved more at his age, except for the ranking.
While he has not achieved #1, he has surpassed in achievement than Sampras and Hewitt at their respective age. Talent is pointless as some may suggest, but if Nadal keeps this up, he may well surpass Sampras.! and still rank #2.

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Re: Is Nadal more talented than Sampras?

Not a good idea to start this thread straight after Nadal is knocked out of the Quarters...
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I think by using your logic, Nadal would be ahead of Roger as well. So you basically just contradicted yourself right in that post.
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I think by using your logic, Nadal would be ahead of Roger as well. So you basically just contradicted yourself right in that post.

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Nadal wont win 10 slams

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Huh? What does talent have to do with what age you are when you win titles. I think many would say Agassi had more raw talent than Sampras. As for Chang, he won matches based on his quickness and his mental strength. I think he was one of the least talented players of his era.
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Huh? What does talent have to do with what age you are when you win titles. I think many would say Agassi had more raw talent than Sampras. As for Chang, he won matches based on his quickness and his mental strength. I think he was one of the least talented players of his era.
one of the least talented players of his era.?REALLY?

Talent is correlated wth age, there is no question about that, no one wrote Boris Becker off ever since he won his first slam at 17. Young slam winners always project future winning potentials.
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Actually with 2 slams at 20, he is ahead of Roger already on clay and he is coming up on grass and hardcourt. Roger to the eye of Nadal is not as unbeatable as in the past. Let us not forget that Nadal already reached WIMBLEDON FINAL, and threatened Roger. There is no question he is a threat.
So why is Nadal not more talented than Roger according to your analysis and data?
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Re: Based on record only, Nadal appears to be more talented than Sampras?



^^ Stupid poll, stupid thread, silly troll.

Asking people to ignore this is pointless, right?
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Talent is correlated wth age, there is no question about that
Really? I have a question about that.

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^^ Stupid poll, stupid thread, silly troll.
I dont think it's stupid to appreciate unappreciated #2 in the world.
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I dont think it's stupid to appreciate unappreciated #2 in the world.
Two options:

1. you haven't been long on MTF so you don't know to what this sort of thing leads here: feeding a tard-war.
2. You are trolling and you are feeding a tard-war on purpose.

Which option is it?
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So why is Nadal not more talented than Roger according to your analysis and data?
My true opinion is that Roger-Nadal will be more dominating on the tour than Sampras-Agassi. Roger does best on grass and hardcourt and only starts to "display" his talent by winning his first Wimbledon victory, some already say that even Safin is more talented than Roger, but I dont believe so. But I believe that once Nadal improves on grass and hardcourt (he already reached Wimbledon final and won hardcourt master, so he has already done much better than many top 10 players e.g. Lujbicic), he will become more talented.
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Two options:

1. you haven't been long on MTF so you don't know to what this sort of thing leads here: feeding a tard-war.
2. You are trolling.

Which option is it?
What is a tard-war? And I dont want to start a war, Sampras is already retired and I think Nadal is talented, and objectively based on record, Nadal does better than Sampras, that is it.
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My true opinion is that Roger-Nadal will be more dominating on the tour than Sampras-Agassi. Roger does best on grass and hardcourt and only starts to "display" his talent by winning his first Wimbledon victory, some already say that even Safin is more talented than Roger, but I dont believe so. But I believe that once Nadal improves on grass and hardcourt (he already reached Wimbledon final and won hardcourt master, so he has already done much better than many top 10 players e.g. Lujbicic), he will become more talented.
How can one "become" more talented?

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