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So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

I hope Kolya makes him pay for such a passive disgraceful display of tennis!

I can appreciate his tactical sense and smarts, and it sure is nice to have someone playing differently nowadays when everyone is just bashing the ball, but some initiative and explosiveness would be nice for a change
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

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I hope Kolya makes him pay for such a passive disgraceful display of tennis!

I can appreciate his tactical sense and smarts, and it sure is nice to have someone playing differently nowadays when everyone is just bashing the ball, but some initiative and explosiveness would be nice for a change
He can't sustain that kind of play for obvious reasons. I think once he bulks up a bit, he'll be much more aggressive.
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

Murray is digging himself a hole.

By playing at this pace with all the long rallies he's turning it into an endurance contest against Kolya, one he stands no chance of winning
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

It's a tactic, which has been working at times and not working at times.
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

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It's a tactic, which has been working at times and not working at times.
It doesn't seem to be working at the moment

Also, like I've already mentioned, dragging Kolya to a long match is quite a tactic
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

Whenever he's gone for it he's missed. It's like a carbon copy for their IW match.

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It doesn't seem to be working at the moment

Also, like I've already mentioned, dragging Kolya to a long match is quite a tactic
It almost did, he was 2-0 up in the 3rd and had break points for a double break. Andy hasn't been playing well, and other than the first set, Davydenko has been making a ton of errors.

I agree he's been getting involved in too many long rallies though.

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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

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It almost did, he was 2-0 up in the 3rd and had break points for a double break.
Yeah, at first Kolya seemed surprised by the junk Murray was throwing at him, than it seemed like he was thinking "what the hell" and started hitting his angles again with that superb backhand of his
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

sky are reporting a big disagrement with Gilbert over tactics during the match - I bet it is a fun discussion down there right now!
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

He's got to be more aggressive.

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He's got to be more aggressive.
They said thats what he wants

Brad wants him to play as he is

And he is lost somewhere in between lol

They also think he is scared of taking that step into the quarters in a slam - He had an easy chance for 3 - 0 in that set so they may not be wrong
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

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It doesn't seem to be working at the moment

Also, like I've already mentioned, dragging Kolya to a long match is quite a tactic
Well you got the devil icon going but mother nature had other ideas. Fitness no longer a factor and Murray gifted an extended coaching session...
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

I'm not sure what the answer is - this match so far has all been about PMK - his rhythm, his style of play, his winners, his errors, his mental walkabouts, his moments of brilliance. Murray is just along for the ride and he has not found a way of dragging PMK out of the comfort zone. I feel he's got to do that - PMK is, when he's switched on, too solid at the back for Murray to hope to come off best in enough of those exchanges. And PMK is switched on in these matches more often than he's on walkabout. I doubt PMK will gift him another set so Murray's gonna have to step it up somehow.
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

PMK why is Davydenko called PMK? (hope this isn't a noob comment)
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Re: So much junkballing by Murray - It's like Gilbert is playing!

PMK - Poor Man's Kafelnikov - sums up Davydenko perfectly.

Also, I think he looks like a young Montgomery Burns. Anyone?
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