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What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

Much has been said about scheduling at the US Open on this site recently. However, there has always been one element I have always felt is unacceptable; is it reasonable to expect players to contest a 5 set match on Saturday and a 5 set match on Sunday?

This year it easy to envisage Federer playing the first semi-final next Saturday winning in 3 sets then Nadal and Roddick playing a 5 set match marathon. Then surprise, surprise Federer winning easily on Sunday against a tired opponent. Conversely, it could be the other way round with Nadal or Roddick winning their semi-final easily and Federer playing 5 sets in the semi-final and being disadvantaged.

Surely, like ALL other grand slams there should be 2 days between the semi-final and final.

What do others think and does anyone support the idea of semi-final and the final on successive days?

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Re: What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

it's stupid and it's all due to TV. back in '02 agassi had to play the second semi against hewitt while sampras had a cakewalk against schalken in the morning. due to this, agassi came out real slow in the finals. if the semi matches would have been reversed i'm sure agassi would have won the final.
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Re: What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

a little of both. I can see both sides. It is tough for the players physically and mentally, and the person who plays the 2nd semi is at a disadvantage sure, but i can also see that it's a fantastic and entertaining day of tennis and it sort of has that crazy NY atomsphere/feel to it.

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Re: What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

Heretics! Super Saturday is what makes the US Open! Federer and Agassi have been able to handle it, as have all the champions. Plus, it's exciting for fans. Although I never saw it live, I wish I could have been there for the 1984 JMac/Connors, Evert/Navratilova, Lendl/Cash show.

And, yes, the night match with the ladies and Aretha, Diana, etc. ain't to bad either.
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Re: What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

I see there can be a problem, but when do people not whine about scheduling or something else? If you want to win you have to surmout the specific troubles and obstacles of all Grand Slams.

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Re: What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

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Heretics! Super Saturday is what makes the US Open! Federer and Agassi have been able to handle it, as have all the champions. Plus, it's exciting for fans. Although I never saw it live, I wish I could have been there for the 1984 JMac/Connors, Evert/Navratilova, Lendl/Cash show.

And, yes, the night match with the ladies and Aretha, Diana, etc. ain't to bad either.

Agassi in the 2005 final after 3 sets which followed the 5 sets of his semi-final against Ginepri looked empty.

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Re: What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

Whenever there is only one showcase court, the winner of the first SF pair will always have more time than the second winner, but this will even out over the course of tournaments (I understand that for many players there aren't several slam SF chances).
Andy had it in Wimbledon 05, because of US TV rights and it had consequences on his final play (he didn't complain), but he also had a good program USO 03 which allso had consequences on his final play (also didn't complain there)
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Whenever there is only one showcase court, the winner of the first SF pair will always have more time than the second winner, but this will even out over the course of tournaments (I understand that for many players there aren't several slam SF chances).
Andy had it in Wimbledon 05, because of US TV rights and it had consequences on his final play (he didn't complain), but he also had a good program USO 03 which allso had consequences on his final play (also didn't complain there)
Wimbledon 04 as well.

His 03 USO Semifinal was second and his match lasted over 3 hours

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Re: What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

If you're the better player then you're the better player. Don't give me this "so & so was too tired." In 2000, Venus Williams had the 2nd match on friday afternoon & down 3-5, 15-30 to Hingis in the 3rd set. Running down everything Hingis threw at her - corner to corner. Yet, she returned the next day & played a fresh Davenport & beat her in str8t sets. The way these guys stay in shape they are fine. Take your butt home after your saturday match - eat, rest & come back out Sunday & kick butt.

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His 03 USO Semifinal was second and his match lasted over 3 hours
But 2 weeks of very good scheduling amidst all that rain helped him a lot, others played many matches back to back. I think it's quite difficult to dispute that fact
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But 2 weeks of very good scheduling amidst all that rain helped him a lot, others played many matches back to back. I think it's quite difficult to dispute that fact
What does this have to do with the discussion at hand - whether Super Saturday is a good idea?

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Re: What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

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Whenever there is only one showcase court, the winner of the first SF pair will always have more time than the second winner, but this will even out over the course of tournaments (I understand that for many players there aren't several slam SF chances).
Andy had it in Wimbledon 05, because of US TV rights and it had consequences on his final play (he didn't complain), but he also had a good program USO 03 which allso had consequences on his final play (also didn't complain there)
Rain was the cause of Andy Roddick playing on Saturday and having no day off. An issue which a roof is believed to address although we have to see how the grass survives.

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Re: What do you think "Super Saturday" or "Stupid Saturday"?

R. Federer - stop the excuses. If these players are in the shape they claim, they'll be fine.

Players, like Andy M. and Novak are the only ones who couldn't make it. The more likely semifinalist - Roddick, Federer, Nadal, Gonzalez, Marcos, Berdych, etc. - have NO EXCUSES!
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Grand Slam finals are possibly the 4 most important tennis matches of the year, it's ridiculous not to give both players the best possible opportunity to be prepared for them. Agassi most certainly did not handle having to play the whole weekend the last two times he was in the final, did he? It's absurd. One of the first things that should go under De Villiers' Reign of Retail, but that would be too sensible.

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One of the first things that should go under De Villiers' Reign of Retail, but that would be too sensible.
It's not really in his jurisdiction though, is it? the USO is a USTA and ITF event

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