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Re: Gay men on the ATP tour

Yes, it's all part of this rebellious bad-boy "dynamic" that they are trying to conjure up in a vain attempt to recapture the sport's 70s and 80s heydays. I firmly believe they should try to promote the tennis itself, rather than the "exciting" personalities of those playing it. Put together a highlight reel, including that 45-stroke rally between Federer and Hewitt at IW last year, mixed in with some of Santoro's most magical plays, some of Nadal's most astounding retrievals, an athletic net point from Wimbledon.... emphasise the variety and the entertainment on offer.

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

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ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Re: Gay men on the ATP tour

so how many gay players is enough and what do you want them to do as gay athletes?
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The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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I'll give credit to the thread-starter: at least this thread is not the 167964949th thread about "which players are gay". Interestingly, we're getting past that and moving into meaningful discussion. Thanks.

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The ATP tour definitely tries to show I think in a way a negative male image. I really don't think most men are macho. What I honestly believe is that we males are fearful of other men judging us. And that's why some guys put on this tough masculine or macho image. I think when you really get to know most men we are sensitive, we have emotions, we do cry and have feelings. But people don't like that..they don't like sensitive men. Tennis has such a chance to change society because its an individual sport. I guess it would take a very strong man to come out a man that probably doesn't care what people think..but decides to be happy and live his life to the fullest.
That's why I like Johnny Weir the figure skater. Johnny is openly gay and he doesn't care..he's out and gay and proud and he's an athlete. That's what we need more out and proud and open gay men out there to counterbalance this oppressive heterosexuality.... Men like Roddick and Hewitt are disgusting individuals that are immature and not very good sportsmen. I think that's why Federer does so much press because he is the perfect man. I think he's gorgeous but he also seems like a nice person. It was so surprising yet also courageous to see Roger cry when he won the Australian Open. Its so nice to see a man that's not afraid to hide his emotions to show he does care about the game and that he is emotional. Roger is just perfect in every way..to bad he;s straight...
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I'll give credit to the thread-starter: at least this thread is not the 167964949th thread about "which players are gay". Interestingly, we're getting past that and moving into meaningful discussion. Thanks.
It does make me wonder whether the starters of said threads were actually genuinely concerned about the lack of sexual openness and inability of gay players to express themselves freely on the tour. Could it be that such people were in fact issuing a clarion call for tolerance and respect, for equality of condition on the ATP, rather than simply searching for a spurious piece of gossip and tittle-tattle that they could try to spread round or pass on to anyone willing to pay for it?

No, I didn't think so somehow.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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The ATP tour definitely tries to show I think in a way a negative male image. I really don't think most men are macho. What I honestly believe is that we males are fearful of other men judging us. And that's why some guys put on this tough masculine or macho image. I think when you really get to know most men we are sensitive, we have emotions, we do cry and have feelings. But people don't like that..they don't like sensitive men. Tennis has such a chance to change society because its an individual sport. I guess it would take a very strong man to come out a man that probably doesn't care what people think..but decides to be happy and live his life to the fullest.
Tennis has sod all chance to change society while it's as overlooked and underappreciated as it is now, and I'm not sure a single player coming out of the closet would do anything to improve that situation apart from generating a few pathetic tabloid headlines.

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That's why I like Johnny Weir the figure skater. Johnny is openly gay and he doesn't care..he's out and gay and proud and he's an athlete. That's what we need more out and proud and open gay men out there to counterbalance this oppressive heterosexuality.... Men like Roddick and Hewitt are disgusting individuals that are immature and not very good sportsmen. I think that's why Federer does so much press because he is the perfect man. I think he's gorgeous but he also seems like a nice person. It was so surprising yet also courageous to see Roger cry when he won the Australian Open. Its so nice to see a man that's not afraid to hide his emotions to show he does care about the game and that he is emotional. Roger is just perfect in every way..to bad he;s straight...
"Oppressive heterosexuality"? Eh? OK, I come at this from the wrong perspective I know, but I really don't see tennis as a sport that shoves it in your face. As for Federer, I've said before that I hate it when he turns on the waterworks and been called a miserable SOB for my opinion, but hey, whatever temperament gets him the results on court is fine by me.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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It does make me wonder whether the starters of said threads were actually genuinely concerned about the lack of sexual openness and inability of gay players to express themselves freely on the tour. Could it be that such people were in fact issuing a clarion call for tolerance and respect, for equality of condition on the ATP, rather than simply searching for a spurious piece of gossip and tittle-tattle that they could try to spread round or pass on to anyone willing to pay for it?

No, I didn't think so somehow.
I didn't think so either. I think it was an attempt to sound gossipy more than anything. Speculating about who could/would be gay does nothing to promote meaningful dialogue on the subject. It sets up said players for judgment and ridicule instead.

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Re: Gay men on the ATP tour

It's at this point that I should mention my "Is Marat Safin gay?" thread from a little over two years ago, which someone might be inclined to dig up. But 'twas a mockery of these other threads, you see, not a contributing factor, I hope.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Really I find when Roger cries its because he's so sensitive. We get to see a man let his guard down to show his emotions to show how he truly feels inside. Its very rare in the media to show male sensitivity. I don't know why people are fearful of emotional men. I remember when Federer's countryman Stephane Lambiel won the silver medal at the Olympics and Stephane was crying. It was so sweet to see that to see Stephane cry to release that emotion. I think more male athletes need to stop this macho posturing and show their emotions...
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It's at this point that I should mention my "Is Marat Safin gay?" thread from a little over two years ago, which someone might be inclined to dig up. But 'twas a mockery of these other threads, you see, not a contributing factor, I hope.
I should hope not. You have posters whose intentions are less than honorable coming up with interesting post content every day, so you shouldn't be surprised.

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Really I find when Roger cries its because he's so sensitive. We get to see a man let his guard down to show his emotions to show how he truly feels inside. Its very rare in the media to show male sensitivity. I don't know why people are fearful of emotional men. I remember when Federer's countryman Stephane Lambiel won the silver medal at the Olympics and Stephane was crying. It was so sweet to see that to see Stephane cry to release that emotion. I think more male athletes need to stop this macho posturing and show their emotions...
Yes, but just as there are differences between the sexes, so there are also differences within them; each individual has their own way of handling themselves and their persona in the public eye. Plenty of players do show their natural emotions out there, I feel; they're just not the ones that you, or indeed I for that matter in the case of players like Roddick, Coria, Nadal etc., want to see.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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I think more male athletes need to stop this macho posturing and show their emotions...
It will happen when the US gets a woman president.

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I should hope not. You have posters whose intentions are less than honorable coming up with interesting post content every day, so you shouldn't be surprised.
I seem to recall it was taken in the right spirit by everyone concerned. I did much prefer my "Who would you like to see fully clothed and then send to a monastery?" thread, though; that certainly had the desired effect.

The Wit and Wisdom of the Tennis Journalist, Indian Wells 2004

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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