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Djokovic 57 40.71%
Sampras 69 49.29%
They are equal 6 4.29%
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Who do you rate higher, Djokovic or Sampras?

I find it strange there hasn't been a discussion thread about this, or perhaps I'm just not aware of it. I think it's a pretty interesting discussion and both players have a good case.

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Djokovic

- Won 12 slams
- Has a career slam
- NCYGS
- 5 YEC
- 30 masters
- 219 weeks(and counting) as #1

Sampras

- Won 14 slams
- 5 YEC
- 11 Masters
- 286 weeks as #1

Obviously Sampras is ahead in the most important stat i.e the slams, which I doubt it'll remain for long, but I feel 2 more slams isn't enough for me to rate Sampras over Djokovic considering Djokovic has won the career slam and the NCYGS which for me are critical factors. Career slams shows the ability to be great across all surfaces and the NCYGS shows insane domination of the game which Sampras could only dream of doing.

You could argue that surface homogenization has helped Djokovic a lot and that's why he achieved career slam but you can also argue that Sampras was lucky to play in an era whereby the courts were ridiculously fast and benefited his S&V style of play. So imo this argument shouldn't be used for both sides.

So basically I personally rate Djokovic higher. What do you guys think?
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Re: Who do you rate higher, Djokovic or Sampras?

Sampras. Djokovic vultured GS titles in the weakest era ever.
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Re: Who do you rate higher, Djokovic or Sampras?

Sampras obviously. Not only 14>12 but Sampras won in a tougher era. Imagine what Sampras would do if he peaked in '14-current era.

The only thing Djokovic has in his favor is RG and nothing else.
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Re: Who do you rate higher, Djokovic or Sampras?

I would still say Sampras right now, but it's probably just a matter of time until Novak surpasses both him and Nadal.
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Re: Who do you rate higher, Djokovic or Sampras?

It's Sampras as of now because +2 and +67 gives him the edge - those are the two most impressive stats when talking about history. However once the difference is reduced to +1 and +30ish there will be no doubt Djokovic is better because of other accolades (+20 masters, NCYGS, CGS, more titles overall, maybe more WTFs)

Novak has mastered all or almost all elements of the game. He is the best in several categories and top 10 in almost all others. He can use any counter-measure (and on a very high level) against the opponent's strong points and is far more skilled in other game elements. If someone is a poor returner, Novak will utilize his serve. If someone relies too much on serve, Novak will demolish him with strong returns. In rallies against opponents who have huge stamina and good defence, he aims for winners. In rallies against ballbashers and redliners, he turns into a brick wall and cannot be punched back. And the beauty of all? He wins all the time.

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It's Sampras as of now because +2 and +67 gives him the edge - those are the two most impressive stats when talking about history. However once the difference is reduced to +1 and +30ish there will be no doubt Djokovic is better because of other accolades (+20 masters, NCYGS, CGS, more titles overall, maybe more WTFs)
Masters mean nothing as they weren't that important during the 90's. Sampras was #1 even without competing much in them and he didn't take them seriously. If Djokovic wins 1 more it'll still be 14>13.
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Re: Who do you rate higher, Djokovic or Sampras?

I'll be honest here and say Djokovic. He's way more dominant and consistent than Sampras and his career is more complete with the CGS and NCYGS. Sampras couldn't make it to RG final even for once. Also the difference in Masters is so big and Masters titles are not easy to win. However, my vote in the poll goes to Sampras, because this is how this place's polls work.
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I'll be honest here and say Djokovic. He's way more dominant and consistent than Sampras and his career is more complete with the CGS and NCYGS. Sampras couldn't make it to RG final even for once. Also the difference in Masters is so big and Masters titles are not easy to win. However, my vote in the poll goes to Sampras, because this is how this place's polls work.
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Re: Who do you rate higher, Djokovic or Sampras?

I rate Djokovic higher, but not by much, and I understand those who don't. Should be clearer once the 5th YE#1 is secured.


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Masters mean nothing as they weren't that important during the 90's. Sampras was #1 even without competing much in them and he didn't take them seriously. If Djokovic wins 1 more it'll still be 14>13.
Didn't compete much in them? He played 89 masters and won 11. Djokovic has played 91 and won 30. The difference is not really in the participating.

And of course masters tournaments were the 3rd most important ones also in the 90s, behind slams and the WTF. Sampras really ought to have done better in them. He did better in the ATP500s and ATP250s. If he wanted to focus more on smaller tournaments than on masters that's his business, but it doesn't help his resumé.

I will also remind you that if you discount masters then Nadal hasn't got anything on Sampras...
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I rate Djokovic higher, but not by much, and I understand those who don't. Should be clearer once the 5th YE#1 is secured.




Didn't compete much in them? He played 89 masters and won 11. Djokovic has played 91 and won 30. The difference is not really in the participating.

And of course masters tournaments were the 3rd most important ones also in the 90s, behind slams and the WTF. Sampras really ought to have done better in them. He did better in the ATP500s and ATP250s. If he wanted to focus more on smaller tournaments than on masters that's his business, but it doesn't help his resumé.

I will also remind you that if you discount masters then Nadal hasn't got anything on Sampras...
Incorrect. RAFA has won all 4 slams and won ATLEAST 2 slams on each surface whereas Sampras didn't even make a clay GS final (RG). In addition to that RAFA had to contend with Peak Federer and Peak Djokovic to win most of his slams although Sampras did play in another tough era (not a joke era like '14-current) but I'll give RAFA the edge here. Plus he has won 2 Olympics gold, one in singles and the other in doubles. It edges out the extra time at #1 and 5 exhibitions IMO.

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Re: Who do you rate higher, Djokovic or Sampras?

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Incorrect. RAFA has won all 4 slams and won ATLEAST 2 slams on each surface whereas Sampras didn't even make a clay GS final (RG). In addition to that RAFA had to contend with Peak Federer and Peak Djokovic to win most of his slams although Sampras did play in another tough era (not a joke era like '14-current) but I'll give RAFA the edge here. Plus he has won 2 Olympics gold, one in singles and the other in doubles. It edges out the extra time at #1 and 5 exhibitions IMO.
Just concede me the point and focus on Sampras - Djokovic. All four slams sounds like an argument for Djokovic. Also Djokovic had to compete with Federer and Nadal, if you think that is weaker opposition than dealing with Federer and Djokovic then that is interesting information. How much stronger as an opponent is Djokovic than Nadal is?

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Incorrect. RAFA has won all 4 slams and won ATLEAST 2 slams on each surface whereas Sampras didn't even make a clay GS final (RG). In addition to that RAFA had to contend with Peak Federer and Peak Djokovic to win most of his slams although Sampras did play in another tough era (not a joke era like '14-current) but I'll give RAFA the edge here. Plus he has won 2 Olympics gold, one in singles and the other in doubles. It edges out the extra time at #1 and 5 exhibitions IMO.
Also RAFA earned more points to get to #2 than Sampras to #1. Says everything about the importance of weeks at #1.

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Just concede me the point and focus on Sampras - Djokovic. All four slams sounds like an argument for Djokovic. Also Djokovic had to compete with Federer and Nadal, if you think that is weaker opposition than dealing with Federer and Djokovic then that is interesting information. How much stronger as an opponent is Djokovic than Nadal is?
Federer is semi retired since 2013 and RAFA has drastically declined since the same year, that's no better competition than what Sampras or RAFA has faced during '08-'13.

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