dj has 6 AOs(6/6 finals) and which I greatly respect and admire.
But in USO, he has won only 2/7 finals.
Out of his 8 HC slams, 6 are on AO and a meagre 2 in USO, and both USO wins couldve easily been defeats had his opponent not choked(srsly). Also, dj has 0 cincy's which is universally accepted as the fastest HC on tour.
So the question on everyone's minds but are too afraid to ask - If dj is a HC GOAT contender, why doesn't he have equal success on both slow HC and fast HC? Why only 2 USOs(2011 was a bit of a fluke)?
If USO was in January and AO in September then he would've probably had a pretty balanced count.
You can't really expect that player who plays and wins so much masters/slams finals&semis from AO till USO as Djokovic, also wins much more USO titles, because he would become undisputable Goat by his 30th birthday, and right after Federer has just annihilated Ex-goatpras slam/masters resume by entering almost twice the finals.
So making plenty of US Open finals and winning two of them not to mention winning plenty WTF means that Djoker is not a great player on fast HC? Great logic here bro.
Of course Djokovic isn't the hard court GOAT. Only fanboys muppets like Clutch believe that to be the case. He is only the GOAT on slow hard courts. I give him that.
It's for these reasons there are no overall HC GOAT's. A theoretical GOAT on HC's would need to do well on both fast and slow HC's. Since conditions changed, and no one has that much success on both, we can't call it. Djokovic is the most successful slow HC player, so he has an argument for slow HC's as one of the greatest.
HC GOAT is the guy who has the most overall success on HC. If Djokovic wins, for example, 2 more HC Slams (no matter AO or USO) and 2 more WTFs, he will be HC GOAT. Federer can be fast HC GOAT, but overall HC GOAT will be Djokovic. As of now it's still Federer, but not by much. It's not rocket science.
By the same virtue by which Federer is the overall GOAT and Nadal is the clay GOAT, Djokovic can/will be HC GOAT while Federer can remain being the fast HC GOAT.
But even that is questionable, because what's slow and what's fast is arbitrary. Is WTF fast or slow? Even if Djokovic wins 5 more US Opens, Fedtards will just say it has became slow. So there's no point in cherry picking here. Fast and slow HC GOAT concept is just to much hairsplitting for me. But if it's not for you, that the argument from the previous paragraph stands.
dj has 6 AOs(6/6 finals) and which I greatly respect and admire.
But in USO, he has won only 2/7 finals.
Out of his 8 HC slams, 6 are on AO and a meagre 2 in USO, and both USO wins couldve easily been defeats had his opponent not choked(srsly). Also, dj has 0 cincy's which is universally accepted as the fastest HC on tour.
So the question on everyone's minds but are too afraid to ask - If dj is a HC GOAT contender, why doesn't he have equal success on both slow HC and fast HC? Why only 2 USOs(2011 was a bit of a fluke)?
I still think it's Rogie he won on slow hard courts too: 4 Australian Open titles, 4 Indian Wells titles, 2 Miami titles, that's 10 right there just for starters. Plus what 14 on faster decoturf like Toronto 2 titles, Cincinnati 7 titles, and U.S. Open 5 titles, that's another 14 there. So far 24 titles plus the 6 World Tour Finals titles, there's 30 plus I believe another 30 overall for 60 hard court titles in total!
To sum it up if you include where the other 30 come from (i.e. Doha, Dubai, Rotterdam, Sydney, Vienna, Marseille, Thailand, Tokyo, Madrid, Basel, Stockholm, Paris Bercy, Shanghai, and Brisbane). The point is Rogie's won all over on all different speed hardcourts, Djokovic is more bound to slow-medium speed hard courts. When it comes to the faster ones, he's had less success by far!
As per my calculations, WTF was slowed down from 2011/2012, let's take 2012 as reference. So that's 3 WTFs so far on slow HC and in 2014 remember, Fed withdrew. How many WTFs did dj win prior to 2011?
People still think Plexicushion is slow. it's utterly hilarious. It's the most LEVEL and MEDIUM of paced surfaces out there.
But let m use fanboy logic. If the Australian Open lays their courts with mud and the US Open lays their courts with ice, why would Nadal have 1 Australian Open and 2 US? Oops? Mudboy would surely excel on slower hard court?
Fundmaentally clueless fanboys comparing numbers they apply ZERO context to. Djokovic has 6 Australian Opens and 2 US Opens so the fan boy brain immediately determines the Aus is slow and the US fast. It's a good thing people aren't this dense in the real world.
If they didn't remove Reboud Ace at Australian Open, Djokovic wouldn't even win 8 Grand Slams. Unlike clay and grass, hard courts are varied, so we should divide it into 2 parts - slow and fast.
Imagine Djokovic skipping SF/F clay battles against Nadal & co. 2007-2014, saving himself for Wimb/USO only, and then even skipping Canada or Cinci as Ex-goatpras always did.
Sampras faced better competition in general terms.
but never had a GOAT main rival like federer had nole and rafa, or tafa with nole and roger and nole too.
agasis was good, but come on, was a guy who was more worried but his hair and look than for winning slams, even he said that he lost a semi of a gs bbecause he hated the guy who was in the final and he not wanted play with the guy......AND A GUY WHO WAS FORCED BY HIS FATHER TO PLAY TENNIS AND THAN HE HATED THE SPORT UNTIL HIS 30´S, CAN YOU IMAGINE NADAL, NOLE OR FED WITH THIS HEAD??? NO WAY!!!
and in sampras´s peak ages, agassi was out of tennis for near two years!!!!
becker was good, but his peak was the 80´s not 90´s, wa sa similar case of federer´s good leven vs djokovic with 33 and 34 years old, but not a real peak rival.
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