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Who will be the first player born after Cilic to win a Masters or Slam title?

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#1 ·
Time for a new thread...
It will be who?
Raonic, Dimitrov, Nishikori?:grin2:
 
#2 ·
Re: Who will be the first player born after Cilic to win a Masters Series tournament?

At this rate probably Dimitrov, I thought Raonic would win Cincy at the start of the week and I tipped him for Toronto aswell, but he failed to deliver on both occasions, losing to Monfils and tiredray.

Raonic and Nishikori seem to have a mental block against Djokovic and Murray.
 
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Re: Who will be the first player born after Cilic to win a Masters Series tournament?

At this rate probably Dimitrov, I thought Raonic would win Cincy at the start of the week and I tipped him for Toronto aswell, but he failed to deliver on both occasions, losing to Monfils and tiredray.

Raonic and Nishikori seem to have a mental block against Djokovic and Murray.
You have to beat everyone before that and of late Raonic and Nishikori have been the deal in that department. But to put into perspective, Cilic only had to beat one top 4 seeded player not named Djokovic to win the tournament. The other two top 4 seeds were Nadal and Wawrinka both out early so he didn't have to 'work' his way to the final.
 
#4 ·
Time to extend this to not only the Masters -- really, Cilic is now the youngest Slam AND Masters winner. Typically the U-Djokovic debate is about someone younger than Cilic winning a Masters, but Cilic solidifying his big final prowess somehow shows the younger ones that they may be really quite behind. It's really the baseline -- Cilic's birthday is September 28, 1988 while Del Po's is September 23, 1988, just 5 days apart. I think that puts Nishikori close with the 90's rather than the late 80's IMO in terms of titles and also big name wins.
 
#6 ·
If Murray and Djokovic don't take Bercy seriously/withdraw from Bercy/lose to motivated fresh goating opponent and don't face Nick Kyrgios, the latter could have a chance to take it.

So I'd go with Kyrgios, as he's somehow a promise to clinch a weak Masters title (weak in sense of having an extreme poor field).
 
#8 ·
This Canadian GOAT is a cert for a masters title at some point in his career.

As for next? I don't know. Maybe Kyrgios.
 
#10 ·
Whoever it is, will most likely have to win it with Djokray either tired or withdrawn. I personally don't think there's a better candidate than Nishikori.
 
#11 ·
If we consider the peak of a generation to be 25 years, then the end peak of generation useless would be USO 2018. That's just 2 years from now and 9 slams away.

Time is running out. Half of their dominant period is already gone. Even the tail end will be 23 at the end of the year.

Ivan Lendl was the oldest player to be dominant and wait until he was 24 years and 1 month to win a slam.

The only relevant seeds are:

Jack Sock (23), Tomic (23) and Theim (22), soon to be 23.

Theim has 5 more shots at a slam to match the pace of Ivan Lendl. Sock has one more. Tomic has two more.

Sock is on the Lendl clock this USO. Tomic will be on the Lendl clock at the AO, and Theim still has time to develop.

Lendl had already made three finals at the same age Theim is now.
 
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even though raonic has already let several opportunities pass by i still think it'll be him

nishikori isnt strong enough mentally and neither is goffin
kyrgios is not consistent enough and with his attitude he may never be
dont get me started on thiem or zverev
coric doesnt have the weapons
sock's fitness is laughable
tomic is hard to read . much like kyrgios i think his attitude and whole approach to tennis will hold him back

dimitrov, like it or not is probably the best bet after raonic.his fitness isnt an issue and it seems like he's rounding back into form. when he's playing his best he's better than every other posibility. what makes me say raonic before him is that raonic is more consistent
 
#16 ·
even though raonic has already let several opportunities pass by i still think it'll be him

nishikori isnt strong enough mentally and neither is goffin
kyrgios is not consistent enough and with his attitude he may never be
dont get me started on thiem or zverev
coric doesnt have the weapons
sock's fitness is laughable
Raonic has only won 1 ATP500 title. In the remaining finals, he lost to Melzer, Nishikori x 2, Del Potro, and Murray (and in this one he had a set and break up). He has the easiest weapon (serve) of them all, but if he can't beat Nishikori while serving at 70% first serves in Tokyo, he'll have an even tougher time against Murray or Djokovic. Broken 3 times by Murray including on own DFs as well.

Kei's best bet will probably be clay. He was outplaying Nadal on clay comfortably before his back injury in Madrid 2014 final. If not for that, we wouldn't even need this conversation.
 
#17 ·
Okay let's not rule out Zverev, Thiem and Kyrgios. The first two have great potential and Kyrgios needs to sort his head out. IMO Djokovic looks like he 'lost the hunger' after the FO. And Andy is detirmined to try everything he can to become No1, but only if Djokovic continues to be vulnerable. But Andy is quite beatable by those guys, so it's probably down to luck and a favorable draw. So I think it will be between Raonic, Nishikori, Thiem, Zverev, Kyrgios and maybe Dimitrov.
 
#23 ·
Lenny or Leo Federer
 
#27 ·
Raonic and Nishikori give themselves so many opportunities you have to figure sooner or later they won't end up against Djokovic or Murray in one of them, or eventually they'll step up or Murray/Djokovic have an off day in a final, probably a Masters though, not a slam anytime soon. I do think it will happen but these two guys seriously need to win at least a Masters soon, more than anyone else on tour. As for the question I'll slightly favour Raonic.
 
#28 · (Edited)
@raysun68 Oh yeah, forgotten about that crazy Troicki stat for him (was the sort of Anderson-Wawrinka joke last 2015 I think :lol:). Like against Simon during his run in USO 2014, it seems when he overcomes a tricky opponent for him he does well. So it seems he has to go over someone who he has been losing lately and win to see if he will have an impact maybe in the USO. What draw would be ideal for that?
 
#29 ·
It seems that Cilic actually has a decent H2H over most players. Obviously, he is 0-14 against Djokovic, if he beats Djokovic it's likely he'll win the tournament anyways. He also has a 5 match losing streak against Del Potro, which would be a horrible draw for him in early stages but maybe good for him if he could win. He also lost 6 matches in a row against Stan, and I guess if he draws him in USO QF it would be an interesting match.
 
#33 ·
Finally someone broke the Cilic Wall, and gives a bit of hope for those born between the 8.5 years, so this could be an interesting development, because it proves players aged 20-27 CAN win a big title.

Question answered, thread closed.
 
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