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Kyrgios is not good enough

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#1 ·
The Kyrgios-hysteria is real, 90% of this board is either mad at him or love him (at the same time, it seems)

he is the current era's 'lazy, mad genius' according to 'experts'
he is flashy and all that - a Brown or Santoro can also be as extreme if not more, and look at their careers

Kyrgios lacks important elements (ROS, fh, movement)
while his timing is above average, his fh can be good on grass, it's a joke on hc, too loopy and often lands short, a nonsense shot compared to a Wawrinka, Berdych or even Nishikori fh

the guy is not good enough, and he knows it. it makes him insecure and tries to generate an image of himself being careless, lazy, and unfocused. Other clowns who use the same tactic: Fognini, Gulbis

Murray, whos close to him apparently, has said he is glued to the tv when they show a match


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#3 ·
It's obvious that you cannot get too good if you get injured all the time, don't love tennis, and play Pokemon every day. :p

However, Kyrgios is 21 years old and has played at a high level, he's in top 20 despite playing much less tournaments than anyone else in the 10-20 range, and IMO this year he showed top 10 level at Marseille, Miami, Madrid and Rome. If he gets a relatively long period without injuries and stays focused on tennis, he can definitely make top 10 even this year. He has also defeated most of the current top 10,this is already a lot of talent, and a shame if he wastes it.
 
#5 ·
Correction: Kyrgios has defeated half of the current top 10, and Raonic/Berdych twice this year. But anyways, the point is that he can beat top 10 players on a good day, and most of the people think that he should be steadily improving and challenging them instead of what he's been doing recently.
 
#7 ·
I can tell you're a guy who doesn't change his opinions easily, so I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Can you tell me what kind of "not good enough" Kyrgios is? I'm definitely not his fan and I don't think he would be a Slam/Masters title contender if he was focused.

I just think he is good enough to be in top 20(which he is in) and capable of reaching top 10 because of his 26-10 W/L ratio this year, 5 straight-set victories to win a title, defeats of Raonic and Wawrinka, close matches against in-form Nishikori and Nadal on clay. He also had bad matches in RG and Wimbledon, and he indeed has bad ROS and movement, but that didn't stop him from doing those things.

I can tell that you are rational, so can you give a detailed answer instead of dismissing it without saying anything at all?
 
#8 ·
sure m8

he is indeed good enough to be a top20 guy, take the current era's lack of depth into consideration at this point pls, but not good enough to be talked about this much and hyped as much as hes been for a few years now

Marseille was nice, but thats it. he didnt beat anyone of importance there (a declined Berdych isnt considered a great win)
what else? Nothing. The occasional wins here and there (over highly inconsistent mugs like Nishikori or Wawrinka) do not mean anything

his ROS, movement, fh suck
 
#12 ·
sure m8

he is indeed good enough to be a top20 guy, take the current era's lack of depth into consideration at this point pls, but not good enough to be talked about this much and hyped as much as hes been for a few years now

Marseille was nice, but thats it. he didnt beat anyone of importance there (a declined Berdych isnt considered a great win)
what else? Nothing. The occasional wins here and there (over highly inconsistent mugs like Nishikori or Wawrinka) do not mean anything

his ROS, movement, fh suck
Um he has not beaten Nishikori once in their 3 meetings, 2 on hardcourt and 1 on high altitude clay.

Kyrgios has one very good thing - that serve. Lots of freebies and get out of jail cards but also a lot of breakdowns with DFs as well. He's not the worst baseliner but there is still much to be desired. He won't blast you off the court that's for sure.
 
#9 · (Edited)
Agree with the OP that Kyrgios is not good enough and that his game has serious flaws. Also that he tries to play down his failure by pretending that he doesn't care.

However: I think he still has upside and can improve on the current state of his game. Not sure, whether he'll be prepared to dedicate himself completely though, day in, day out. He might even be afraid of fully dedicating himself for fear of failure.
 
#10 ·
Sure, I get that. But as much as I like following young players, these days, there just isn't much to talk about.

A 21 year old guy with flashy shots in top 20, defeated some big names, made Slam QF and MS SFs, easily one of the best results in the youngsters. Right now, nobody knows what 5 years later will be like, nobody looks destined for the crown. It's all down to speculation, so you shouldn't be surprised at what people can say.

Now, being one of the only younger players who has challenged and beaten top players, Kyrgios goes to play Pokemon and appears on court without a brain. It's still very disappointing for us who want new blood to challenge the old guard. He might not be good enough, but every young player has obvious weaknesses and we must talk about what they might do, or it would be utterly boring. For example, if Kyrgios actually worked hard he might have a better fitness and maybe, just maybe he would be able to develop a good ROS and FH. We have to keep talking about these things, since we would have no hope without it. Because I love tennis, I want to be optimistic about the future of tennis. :)
 
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#13 · (Edited)
TBH I lost my faith in Nick a bit in recent months. He's not progressing as well as I though he would. Maybe he's simply not a top player material, especially mentality wise. But let's see how he'll be doing in the second half of the year - if no further progress is seen I will give up hopes.
 
#38 ·
No. See: Ferrer.
 
#18 ·
Meh - not sure what I feel about the OP's view.

What are we claiming to be the definition of 'not good enough'. If it's capacity to be no 1, then no, I don't think he's good enough. If it's having a perfect game, then no, he's not good enough.

But if, as I believe, being a 'good enough' player is having the game (with some key strengths eg serve) to maintain a top 20 spot and push for top 10 as the years go on, and to be expected to make a reasonable push at grand slams/masters on a good day, I think Nick will meet the criteria easily. If he gets his shit together.

If he doesn't, he won't, but that will be a choice, not about how good he is.
 
#23 ·
I get the OP is just spewing hatred towards Kyrgios. Yes there is an element of truth about his game but talent wise? It's pretty evident that if you watch a Kyrgios match you can see the talent he posses. Speaking of his FH he may not have the same depth on it when rallying with someone like Berdych but he can still generate a lot of pace which can really hurt opponents.

I've watched Kyrgios since 2013 and he has made some huge improvements in his game. Many criticized his BH but it has now become a lot more solid. The ROS and movement may not be at a top 10 level but even in comparison to last year both have improved (especially his ROS). I think the problem with Kyrgios is just his immaturity as a pro. He needs to understand the improvements that he has to make tactically speaking and not just act like a 12 year old when something doesn't go his way.
 
#28 ·
This.

Nick clearly has the talent, has made big improvements in his game and capacity to keep going - lack of a coach though a serious issue. I've watched him for a long time, but given up - it will take some dire to shock him into coming good I think.

His head is in completely the wrong space, lacking motivation and no resilience whatsoever. He doesn't play enough matches, whether due to physical weakness (prone to injury) or mentality factors (ie just do enough to earn the big$$ and no more).

Frustrating as hell to see someone frittering away such a gift, but it is ultimately his life not ours...
 
#27 ·
the kyrgios fh is a weakness?you ve got to be troling...it s clearly one of the top 10 best fh s out there curently,yes it does drop short sometimes,but overall it can do everything,from bombs to pasing shots and angles,nick is a clown no doubt and a horible example for a tennis player,but he is very talented and can do big things if he stops playng retarded games .
 
#30 · (Edited)
He is not good enough as yet, but if he keeps on improving at the current rate, he will be good enough for the slam final in a couple of seasons.

I don't think he will ever be consistent in masters/slams e.g. making four GS SF in two seasons as Ferrer or even winning & playing the same amount of matches in the season, but due to the absence of peak Nolandy after his 25th birthday, he should make considerably more slam finals & masters titles than Ferrer.
 
#32 ·
He has the game, and the frame, to do it. It is all in the mind for Nick. Mentally he just does not want it bad enough.

When you are playing Pokemon Go instead of stretching and recovering, don't be surprised if you get injured. When you are getting into twitter beefs instead of watching film, don't be surprised if you lose due to tactical reasons.

Been a fan of the guy a few years here, but his piss poor mentality is really starting to piss me off. Hopefully he realizes his talent and utilizes it before it is too late and he regrets it
 
#34 ·
Imo Kyrgios is bit of a Tsonga 2.0

Similar forehands, both are very good weapons that can dominate on most surfaces. Id say Nicks is slightly better, tho he is more erratic, this will surely change over the years.

Nick has a better two hander as he can take it early and place it well. Tsongas is more of a libility at times. Slice and volley Tsonga obviously comes ahead

Withserving Kyrgios can bot like Federer while Tsonga is a step behind. So Kyrgios is definitely good enough to win slams imo. Slightly better Tsonga playing in a weaker era.

Kyrgios will win slams if he manages to relax from all the Aussie pressure and play tennis and practice with love
 
#36 ·
Kygrios is like Raonic. He has a slightly better return and a slightly worse serve. Just because he hits some flash winner every once in a while, it doesn't mean he is some great talent. He is easily the most overrated from the young guns.
 
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