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Agassi NOT greatest serve returner?

On his match w/ Henman, he got aced 8 times. At the US Open last year, I distinctly remember Federer acing him repeatedly towards the final sets. And versus Pete, although he had some fabulous returns he had about an equal number of times being aced.

I think Agassi revolutionized the return of service game and like he was in his old days its very fllashy but it also hides his being prone to being aced. No one notices the mouse in the room when theres an elepant in there, too. Also, Agassi was never known to be the greatest side to side mover on the ocurt which might explain why he gets aced so much down the T.

Federer has a better return imo. I dont see Fed getting aced over and over though he doesnt have as many spectacular returns.
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Agassi is old now . Watch some of his old tapes and you'll realize how good he was at returning . He "was" better than Fed at returning and it's not even close .
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Re: Agassi NOT greatest serve returner?

It depends by what you mean by returning but it is certainly true that he was and is much more prone to being aced than your average top 20 player.

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It's a misconception you are right. Agassi is the best agressive return of server, io, with a given serve he can do more with it than just about anyone else but, because hetries to do so much with serves hit at him well over 100mph, he has a tendancy to get aced. Roger just blocks the serve back and uses his impressive all court ability to win him points. Agassi uses the return and puts himself on offense....that's the difference.

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It's a misconception you are right. Agassi is the best agressive return of server, io, with a given serve he can do more with it than just about anyone else but, because hetries to do so much with serves hit at him well over 100mph, he has a tendancy to get aced. Roger just blocks the serve back and uses his impressive all court ability to win him points. Agassi uses the return and puts himself on offense....that's the difference.

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He doesn't get aced often because he tries to do too much. That doesn't even make sense. He gets aced because he stands on the baseline while trying to return. I think Pimpim said something similar to this. Remember the AO match?
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If you give Agassi a serve within his reach and striking zone, he is still the best or at least in the group among the very best. This was always a huge strength of him and he still has that. But nowadays, he doesn't get his racket anymore on so many serves as he used to during his prime, so as a result he is getting more likely aced by most well-placed serves of his opponent than some years ago. When it comes to returning as many serves as possible in any way, I give Federer the edge. But connecting on what Fumus said, Agassi is/was the better offensive/agressive returner of the both.

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I think you can´t compare them. Best offensive returner has to be Agassi. Or at least he was. Andre takes the ball so early on the rise that the opponent doesn´t have much time to react.
Just look at some of his matches from the past if you are so interested..
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Ultimately it's all about percentages. By standing so close, Agassi risks getting aced by a serve with great pace and placement, but he's essentially saying "fine, ace me, but you're going to have to do it over and over, and if you can't hit it with great placement and speed, it's going to come back at you with interest, maybe even before you've finished your service action follow-through." That puts a lot of pressure on the server. If Andre gains control of 2 points on the return for every point where he gets aced, the numbers are in his favor. In him prime, it took a really great server to outserve Agassi --- Sampras being the most obvious example. And there were many matches where Agassi got through even while absorbing a huge number of aces, because on many points he was also imposing intimidating pressure on the return. (Sampras AO2000, Ivanisevic Wimb1992, J. Johansson AO2005...)

Federer's returning philosophy is also quite valid, and it really works for him. But you know, Federer is far more athletic and quick than Agassi at this point in his career. He can afford not to take charge of the point right from the start. Agassi needs to use his strength right from the start, even if it means taking the risk of aces.

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As has been said, Federer and Agassi have completely different approaches to their return game. Agassi is more likely to punish a weaker serve, but can get served off the court where Federer really can't be.

Personally, I think Nalbandian and Hewitt have the best overall returns. They don't miss many and can be aggressive if given the chance.
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Can't compare a 35 year old Agassi to a Federer in his prime. Also Federer has much more reach and uses his slice more which allows him to get to more balls than Agassi.

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As has been said, Federer and Agassi have completely different approaches to their return game. Agassi is more likely to punish a weaker serve, but can get served off the court where Federer really can't be.

Personally, I think Nalbandian and Hewitt have the best overall returns. They don't miss many and can be aggressive if given the chance.
Nalbandian is the best returner of serve, Hewitt used to but he's lost quite a bit in that department and in most aspects of his game. He showed some regathering at the french, I totally didnt expect him to make the what was it the round of 16 at Roland or was it the quarters and even managed to push a nervy Nadal to 4 sets.

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I think it's also a case of Agassi having been around, and been studied for so long, that there is a book of sorts on how to serve him, especially since the last couple of encounters he's had with Federer. The same thing happens to great servers. The more you see of them, the better you'll do against anything they can come up with.
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It's a misconception you are right. Agassi is the best agressive return of server, io, with a given serve he can do more with it than just about anyone else but, because hetries to do so much with serves hit at him well over 100mph, he has a tendancy to get aced. Roger just blocks the serve back and uses his impressive all court ability to win him points. Agassi uses the return and puts himself on offense....that's the difference.

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...and in the third hand you got Roddick who gets aced left and right AND fluffs all the easy serves as well
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Agassi is the best serve returner of all time. At this moment, the best are probably Nalby, Hewitt, and Fed.
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