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Grass court tennis encourages more diversity?

Looking at the draw of Queen`s Club and first round winners, we see people like Ye Hsun Lu, Danai Udomchoke, Ramon Delgado, etc. winning first rond matches. In Halle Rohan Bopanna from India even plays in a main draw, albeit playing Roger Federer, Indian players do not show up in main draws often in Europe. Even Frank Dancevic and Yeu Tzoo Wang have good chances to get to 2nd round, do you think grass makes for more diversity due to lack of specialists?
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Re: Grass court tennis encourages more diversity?

Perhaps, but usually Europeans or Anglos are the ones succeeding in the finish line.

Let´s see what happens with all this diversity... the best will win and most probably will be Roger Federer.
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Re: Grass court tennis encourages more diversity?

It encourages big serves.


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Re: Grass court tennis encourages more diversity?

Hmmm.... not sure if it because of grass that some new players show up.... I think that also happens on other surfaces that players who are hardly known suddenly show up in a clay tournament or so. Because of the change of surface yes, but I don't think it especially because of grass. But it goes without saying that we have more likely a different clientel or maindraw players on grass as we have on clay.

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It encourages big serves.
The players' bad luck if you don't have one or if your other parts of the game are not strong enough to make up for the lack in the serving departement. Look at Rochus, short and not a big serve, but still good enough to beat decent, sometimes big-serving opposition on grass such as Karlovic or a guy like Beck who doesn't suck on grass either. Good enough to win many times a few rounds at Wimbledon reaching the fourth round or a semi at another tournament.
Look at Grosjean, he is not the biggest one either (I'm taller than him ), yet he has a very good serve for his height and is for years one of the best grasscourt players making consecutive semis at Wimbledon.

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Hmmm.... not sure if it because of grass that some new players show up.... I think that also happens on other surfaces that players who are hardly known suddenly show up in a clay tournament or so. Because of the change of surface yes, but I don't think it especially because of grass. But it goes without saying that we have more likely a different clientel or maindraw players on grass as we have on clay.


The players' bad luck if you don't have one or if your other parts of the game are not strong enough to make up for the lack in the serving departement. Look at Rochus, short and not a big serve, but still good enough to beat decent, sometimes big-serving opposition on grass such as Karlovic or a guy like Beck who doesn't suck on grass either. Good enough to win many times a few rounds at Wimbledon reaching the fourth round or a semi at another tournament.
Look at Grosjean, he is not the biggest one either (I'm taller than him ), yet he has a very good serve for his height and is for years one of the best grasscourt players making consecutive semis at Wimbledon.
You forgot the most obvious of all Hewitt won Wimbledon the same year Nalbandian was a finalist - not two people I would term "big servers"

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You forgot the most obvious of all Hewitt won Wimbledon the same year Nalbandian was a finalist - not two people I would term "big servers"
[joking mode=on]all flukes... grass is the least demanding surface and is only serve and it needs no other ability than that; and for a good serve or grasscourt game you need to be at least 6'2" to do some demage there or else you have no chance because nothing else is required to be successful there[/joking mode=off]

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[joking mode=on]all flukes... grass is the least demanding surface and is only serve and it needs no other ability than that; and for a good serve or grasscourt game you need to be at least 6'2" to do some demage there or else you have no chance because nothing else is required to be successful there[/joking mode=off]

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Re: Grass court tennis encourages more diversity?

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Hmmm.... not sure if it because of grass that some new players show up.... I think that also happens on other surfaces that players who are hardly known suddenly show up in a clay tournament or so. Because of the change of surface yes, but I don't think it especially because of grass. But it goes without saying that we have more likely a different clientel or maindraw players on grass as we have on clay.


The players' bad luck if you don't have one or if your other parts of the game are not strong enough to make up for the lack in the serving departement. Look at Rochus, short and not a big serve, but still good enough to beat decent, sometimes big-serving opposition on grass such as Karlovic or a guy like Beck who doesn't suck on grass either. Good enough to win many times a few rounds at Wimbledon reaching the fourth round or a semi at another tournament.
Look at Grosjean, he is not the biggest one either (I'm taller than him ), yet he has a very good serve for his height and is for years one of the best grasscourt players making consecutive semis at Wimbledon.

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It's hard for many players to play on grass courts on their juniors...because they are expensive and stuff, so, many players don't face grass till pro years and some succeed some don't....that's it

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Re: Grass court tennis encourages more diversity?

No, no not really.

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Re: Grass court tennis encourages more diversity?

This usually happens in IS tournaments with a draw superior to 32 players (like Queen's), with a few rare exceptions (Barcelona, maybe), regardless of the surface.

This year we already had some other examples, like the lucky-loser paradise we witnessed in Estoril, as well as some well-known MM tournaments like Chennai and Casablanca, with a few odd 1st round match ups.

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Re: Grass court tennis encourages more diversity?

It certainly seems so. All the Asians grow up on hard, carpet and grass courts and they all watch Wimbledon. Clay is clearly a European and South American surface.

In the clay tournaments we see 90% Spanish-speaking players whereas on grass we see a much wider range of backgrounds. It's great to see all the Asian players winning today.
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It encourages big serves.
Yes, look at all the big 6 foot, 5 inch Asian players with massive serves. They're just too one-dimensional to cope on clay.
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Re: Grass court tennis encourages more diversity?

It does for sure, as opposed to the other slams Wimbledon has never really been dominated by one or a few players for a longer period.


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