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View Poll Results: Federer's Place in History
If he wins RG, he can be considered the greatest ever 12 16.22%
If he wins RG, he can be considered one of the greatest ever 33 44.59%
If he never wins RG, he can be considered one of the greatest ever anyway 19 25.68%
He would have achieved this in any era 8 10.81%
He would not have achieved this in other eras 2 2.70%
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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 06-09-2006, 08:27 PM Thread Starter
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History beckons for Federer

If Federer wins the French Open on Sunday, then he joins Perry, Budge, Laver, Emerson and Agassi as one of the men to achieve wins at all 4 Grand Slam events.

Rosewall, Vilas, Borg, Connors, Ashe, Lendl, McEnroe, Becker, Sampras etc all fell short of this.

Should Roger then complete the calendar year Grand Slam, he joins Budge and Laver as the only men to date to have done so.

My view is that if he achieves the above, then he deserves the accolades and deserves his place in history as one of the greatest ever. Regardless, I believe he will be considered as such, but achieving the calendar year Grand Slam could see him hailed as the greatest ever.

Do you want Federer to achieve his dream and become an undisputed great on Sunday?

"My greatest point is my persistence. I never give up in a match. However down I am, I fight until the last ball. My list of matches shows that I have turned a great many so-called irretrievable defeats into victories."

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Grand Slam, 29-May-78



R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 Fagel, Rick (USA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) N/A 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
S Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
W Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-3

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Re: Do you want Federer in such company?

As a fan of Roger I would love for him to achieve it, and I would love to see tennis history made. Geez how long agao was it when we had someone make a GS, its about time

My great tennis loves-Roger Federer, Paul Henry Mathieu and Marat Safin

Grigor Dimitrov & David Goffin - The future of tennis

Allez - Jerzy Janowicz, Jose Acasuso , Lleyton, Djokovic, Nalbandian, Clement, Nicolas Almagro, Stanislas Wawrinka

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Re: Do you want Federer in such company?

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Do you want Federer in such company?

Laver achieved the calender grand slam twice and was not eligible for 5 years between the grand slams owing to the ban on professionals. Roger would still have a long way to go to match that.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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Re: Do you want Federer in such company?

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Laver achieved the calender grand slam twice and was not eligible for 5 years between the grand slams owing to the ban on professionals. Roger would still have a long way to go to match that.
If Laver played in this era, would he have achieved the GS twice? heck, would he have done it once? I'm questioning his physical ability here more than anything else...
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Re: Do you want Federer in such company?

If he beats Nadal, he'll have set himself up as one of the greatest ever. It's not like he's getting an easy opponent. It'll be like an Olympics special--"how he came back from the dead" thing.

I don't think he needs a calendar slam to validate his position among al -time greats, just Roland Garros.
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Re: Do you want Federer in such company?

Wasn't the Aussie Open played on Grass back in Laver's day ?
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Re: Do you want Federer in such company?

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Wasn't the Aussie Open played on Grass back in Laver's day ?
Yes.
However, major difficulty has nearly always been winning on clay (RG) and grass Wim). Most players weakest grand slam is on grass or clay. Borg is almost unique in being comfortable on grass and clay, but having most difficulty on hard.

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.


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If he wins he will be the greatest ever
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Wasn't the Aussie Open played on Grass back in Laver's day ?

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If he wins he will be the greatest ever

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Re: History beckons for Federer

I think if he can get all 4, whether consecutive or not, and gets in to double figures on slams overall, he should be considered the greatest ever.

There are so many differences to the Laver era it's hard to compare - 3 slams played on grass and 1 on clay compared to now when they're all on different surfaces with their own characteristics. A much more physical style of play and a deeper field of opposition.

We can't compare the eras effectively, really, but if Feds can capture the French at some point and perhaps match or overtake Sampras in slams won, then he's got to be up there at the very top.
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Re: History beckons for Federer

Fair question for sure and if he wins it. It will be a good thing and he only has to do it once and he will be considered one of the greatest.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Re: History beckons for Federer

Greatest of all time...
to win all 4 slams thesedays, in a row.... with the different surfaces and end Nadal's... his nemesis, record run on clay.
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Re: History beckons for Federer

I think the most you can say is that a player is the best of his own time. Calling someone the best of all time is purely subjective and you can make a pretty good case for Laver, Borg or Sampras as the best of all time. Now if Federer wins all the majors at least twice and more total majors than Sampras and stays number one longer, then I’d probably agree.
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