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Rank these players in order of...

Okay, I'm bored. If you are too then join me in ranking the following players in several categories. Marks out of ten:

Federer - Nadal - Ljubicic - Nalbandian - Roddick - Davydenko

Forehand

Federer - 10
Roddick/Nadal - 8
Nalbandian/Ljubicic/Davydenko - 6


Backhand

Nalbandian - 9
Ljubicic - 8
Nadal - 7
Federer/Davydenko - 6
Roddick - 5


Serve

Ljubicic - 10
Roddick - 9
Federer - 8
Nadal/Davydenko - 6
Nalbandian - 5


Return

Nalbandian - 9
Federer/Nadal - 8
Davydenko - 6
Ljubicic/Roddick - 5

Volley

Federer - 8
Ljubicic/Nadal/Nalbandian - 6
Davydenko/Roddick - 5


Defence

Nadal - 10
Nalbandian/Federer - 8
Davydenko - 7
Roddick - 6
Ljubicic - 5


Mentality

Nadal - 10
Federer - 8
Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic - 6
Nalbandian/Roddick - 5


All round on Hard

Federer - 10
Ljubicic - 9
Roddick/Nadal/Nalbandian - 8
Davydenko - 6


All round on Clay

Nadal - 10
Federer - 8
Nalbandian/Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic - 6
Roddick - 4


All round on grass

Federer - 10
Roddick - 8
Nalbandian - 7
Ljubicic/Davydenko/Nadal - 5




This is what I got when I added up the points.

Overall


Federer..... - 84/100 - 8.4
Nadal........ - 79/100 - 7.9
Nalbandian - 70/100 - 7
Ljubicic...... - 65/100 - 6.5
Roddick..... - 63/100 - 6.3
Davydenko. - 61/100 - 6.1


It agrees with the rankings interestingly. I tried to be as objective as I could.

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Why did you choose those players?
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Okay, I'm bored. If you are too then join me in ranking the following players in several categories. Marks out of ten:

It agrees with the rankings interestingly. I tried to be as objective as I could.
Nice. I agree with most of it, give or take a point here and there.

But, I disagree with the math: 79/100 is, in fact, 0.79 and not 7.9.
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Why did you choose those players?
Blind guess: because they are the current top 6 players on Entry list?
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Have you considered including movement/speed on a court?

or all round on carpet?

or fitness?

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.



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Forehand

Federer - 10
Roddick/Nadal - 8
Nalbandian/Ljubicic/Davydenko - 6


Backhand

Nalbandian - 9
Ljubicic - 8
Nadal - 7
Federer/Davydenko - 6
Roddick - 5


Serve

Ljubicic - 10
Roddick - 9
Federer - 8
Nadal/Davydenko - 6
Nalbandian - 5


Return

Nalbandian - 9
Federer/Nadal - 8
Ljubicic/Davydenko - 6
Roddick - 5

Volley

Federer - 8
Ljubicic/Nadal/Nalbandian - 6
Davydenko/Roddick - 5


Defence

Nadal - 10
Nalbandian/Federer - 8
Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic / Roddick - 6


Mentality

Nadal - 10
Federer - 9
Davydenko / Ljubicic - 7
Nalbandian/Roddick - 5


All round on Hard

Federer - 10
Ljubicic - 9
Roddick/Nadal/Nalbandian - 8
Davydenko - 6


All round on Clay

Nadal - 10
Federer - 8
Nalbandian/Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic - 6
Roddick - 4


All round on grass

Federer - 10
Roddick - 8
Nalbandian - 7
Ljubicic/Davydenko/Nadal - 5



Federer..... - 84/100 - 8.4
Nadal........ - 79/10 - 7.9
Nalbandian - 70/100 - 7
Ljubicic...... - 67/10 - 6.7
Roddick..... - 63/10 - 6.3
Davydenko. - 61/10 - 6.1


It agrees with the rankings interestingly. I tried to be as objective as I could.[/QUOTE]
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Have you considered including movement/speed on a court?

or all round on carpet?

or fitness?
I will add movement but not all round on carpet. It is a little used surface. I realise that grass also falls under that category but I picked the surfaces with the slams.

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But, I disagree with the math: 79/100 is, in fact, 0.79 and not 7.9.
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A very good idea to do this ranking!
I just disagree with Ljubicic getting a better mark than Nadal on hard courts since Nadal won 2 TMS on that surface in very convincing fashion
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A very good idea to do this ranking!
I just disagree with Ljubicic getting a better mark than Nadal on hard courts since Nadal won 2 TMS on that surface in very convincing fashion
According to tennis corner & what they call hard courts:

Ljubicic wins to losses 2006 24-4 and 2005 41-14
Nadal wins to losses 2006 11-3 and 2005 28-6
(Federer 2006 28-1 and 2005 54-2)

Not much in it; Ljubicic better 2006 and Nadal better 2005

The current greatness league of active players in order of achievements to date (a factual comparison rather than fan biased assessment):

Federer 17 GS, 6 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.
Nadal 14 GS, 27 Master Series, 1 Olympic Gold.
Djokovic 9 GS, 4 Year End Masters, 24 Master Series.



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I just disagree with Ljubicic getting a better mark than Nadal on hard courts since Nadal won 2 TMS on that surface in very convincing fashion
In the ATP entry rankings Ljubicic has more hard court points than Nadal in the last 52 weeks. That was my proof.

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Stebs...you are mad

"My greatest point is my persistence. I never give up in a match. However down I am, I fight until the last ball. My list of matches shows that I have turned a great many so-called irretrievable defeats into victories."

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R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 Fagel, Rick (USA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) N/A 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
S Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
W Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-3
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Stebs...you are mad
Gotta say. It's tough to disagree. Oh well, at least I put my madness to good use. If I wasn't a member on MTF I would probably sit at a desk doing this with no-one to show. That'd make me seem even more mad.

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In the ATP entry rankings Ljubicic has more hard court points than Nadal in the last 52 weeks. That was my proof.
Ljubicic played more tournaments, while Nadal 2005 was 75% on Clay.

PAW Results 2010/2009/2008/2007/2006/2005:
Winner: / Stuttgart / Viña, Miami, Umag / Stuttgart / Viña / Davis Cup /
Final: / / Paris TMS / Sauipe, B.Aires, Monaco, Umag / Acapulco / Paris TMS / Tokyo
SF: / / Estoril, Shangai / / / / Stuttgart, Palermo
QF: Brisbane/ Umag, USOpen / / Australia, Nottingham, Olympics, Bangkok / Australia, Sauipe / / Kitzbuhel, Beijing

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Re: Rank these players in order of...

Federer - Nadal - Ljubicic - Nalbandian - Roddick - Davydenko

Forehand

Federer - 10
Nadal - 9
Nalbandian - 8
Ljubicic/Roddick/Davydenko - 7


Backhand

Nalbandian - 9
Ljubicic/Nadal/Federer - 8
Davydenko - 7
Roddick - 5


Serve

Ljubicic - 10
Roddick - 9
Federer - 8
Nadal/Davydenko/Nalbandian - 6


Return

Nalbandian - 9
Federer - 8
Nadal - 7
Davydenko/Ljubicic - 6
Roddick - 3

Volley

Federer - 8
Nalbandian - 7
Nadal/Ljubicic - 6
Davydenko/Roddick - 5


Defence

Nadal/Federer - 10
Nalbandian - 8
Davydenko/Ljubicic - 7
Roddick - 5


Mentality

Nadal/Federer - 10
Ljubicic - 8
Davydenko/Nalbandian - 6
Roddick - 5


All round on Hard

Federer - 10
Ljubicic/Nadal - 9
Nalbandian - 8
Roddick - 7
Davydenko - 6


All round on Clay

Nadal - 10
Federer - 9
Nalbandian - 8
Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic - 6
Roddick - 4


All round on grass

Federer - 10
Roddick - 8
Nalbandian - 7
Ljubicic/Nadal - 6
Davydenko - 5



Have not given it much thought...so I might not completely agree with my own points there.

"My greatest point is my persistence. I never give up in a match. However down I am, I fight until the last ball. My list of matches shows that I have turned a great many so-called irretrievable defeats into victories."

Bjorn Borg

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Grand Slam, 29-May-78



R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 Fagel, Rick (USA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) N/A 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
S Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
W Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-3

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