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oh Ive read some of the media on this. You guys have most of it wrong. Rios came out on Chilean radio saying that the ATP plays favorites when it comes to its most popular players (NOT that Agassi took drugs) and that when it comes to players like Agassi and Sampras, etc, guys who have buttressed the sport, the ATP never publicly discloses their drug tests while opting to publicly disclose those of the "lesser" players. He says that if Agassi had tested positive for nandrolene (a drug thats more common than you think) the ATP would never think to disclose it for economic reasons. Such a scandal would be too big for them to handle.

Its important to point out that Rios here never accuses Agassi or Sampras of taking drugs, but rather that the ATP goes to large efforts in protecting their reputations over others. He says no one has any way of knowing if whether or not the atp actually tests agassi or gives out the right results --there's no secondary independent body to certify such results along with the results published by the atp.

In other words, he and "the other south americans" [his words] have long speculated that the atp plays favorites when it comes to drug testing and accuses the atp of just being a little too sketchy in its public disclosures. He says the process should be more transparent.

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THANKS udomiele!!!

I was worried that this could blow up into a big problem for Andre. Glad to hear that the direct accusation did not happen. *sigh of relief*

In terms of the process being more transparent, I actually agree with Rios. Disclosing positive tests on a top money-generating player is against the ATP's own interests --- a second independent body might be a good idea.
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Hard work can also increase muscle mass, and Andre's training off the court is well-documented.
Hard work of course is needed even if you do take steroids. You just get better/faster results if you use supplements.

I have wondered about Andre's improved physique over the years but you could say the same about a lot of players - e.g Moya
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Hard work can also increase muscle mass, and Andre's training off the court is well-documented.
Yes, it can. But, when using steroids you must also work very hard in the gym as well. The muscles don't appear just because you use steroids. But, once again, I don't know. I just say that the thought has crossed my mind, and I'm sure others have wondered as well. He might or he might not.

That's the sad thing that until very stringent and trustworthy controls are in place, people can only wonder.

Drugs are common in sports. I don't think tennis is exempt.

I just don't let my speculation get in the way of my enjoyment.
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Yes, it can. But, when using steroids you must also work very hard in the gym as well. The muscles don't appear just because you use steroids.
Exactly, if anything the super hard training makes me more suspicious, especially at the age he is in.
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I just say that because we don't know whether anybody does or does not use performance enhancing drugs, we shouldn't speculate.
Yet this is precisely what is happening here, n'est-ce pas?
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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

Yes. That is the thread topic.

I don't think anyone is exempt from suspicion. I was surprised that people had such a strong reaction that what Rios said was a bunch of nonsence since I thought that almost everyone had wondered at some time or other whether Andre used steroids in his training program.

I think the fans should be a little more aware and a little less confident that their particular favorite hasn't used. Well, I know for sure that one of my favorites has tested positive, so maybe I'm in a different place than others.
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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

Yes, it is true, he also said that Agassi's excuse for avoiding the urine test was that his child was going to be kidnapped.

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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

Rios is a dickhead. He could have just said what he did without mentioning any names like Agassi or Sampras. Now people will be misunderstanding and thinking he accused Andre, like the person quoted in this thread did, and that will only taint his reputation. I dont believe in any kind of speculation unless there is something to back it up. Every player deserves the right to be considered innocent unless proven guilty.

Theres nothing to suggest that Andre has ever used drugs, he has always been made a big public anti drug stance, and its known that he treats his body like a temple, he is so hardworking and would never put anything into his body that would harm it.
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Yes. That is the thread topic.

I don't think anyone is exempt from suspicion. I was surprised that people had such a strong reaction that what Rios said was a bunch of nonsence since I thought that almost everyone had wondered at some time or other whether Andre used steroids in his training program.
Rios's mistake (if he infact did it) is speculating in public without any evidence. Sounds like sour grapes, sort of like Clijster's Dad accusation of Henin.
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As I have previously posted, the ATP has the 2002 drug testing statistics for all tour players posted at its website. It shows the tournament/event at which the player was tested, but does not give any results. However, it provides a great framework for some understanding as to the apparent favoritism demonstrated by the ATP.

And until the 2003 statistics are made public, I don't think anyone here can make any inferences without conjecture.

I'm with George on the recreational drug issue. I have no idea how some of the players on the tour have avoided getting busted!
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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

Rios has a worthwhile point, but I get the feeling that he's secretly longing for Agassi to be brought down at the end of his career. If only he'd invested as much energy in his tennis... ah well, to paraphrase Bogart, "We'll always have Miami." 1998, that is, rather than 2002.

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OK, maybe unpopular to say this, but Rios has a point .... I do think that
the Tennis Gods certainly have favoritism to some of the games stars,
which is NOT right...But he does not say here that Andre (my hero)
is on drugs - Andre TOTALLY worked out for that build (but from what
I gather, Andre does shave his head because he was going bald...) but
that's neither here nor there. I HOPE Andre is NOT doing anything
illegal, because I respect him so much....and I don't think he is, tho
nothing anyone does would shock me.

I always supported Rios because of his fascinating personality, I think
sometimes he says things without thinking and of course there is the
fact that translations are just that: translations....But I do think he has
a point here....still, I think I will kick him in the ass this one time!
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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

No matter how much of an ungracious idiot he may be, you've got to love Rios and his comments - as Peter Fleming said some time last year, we have too many nice and well-regarded players on tour, it's good to have someone surly and bad-tempered to balance them out. After that Miami semi a couple of years ago where he had to retire at a set all, he confidently declared in the interview that if he'd been able to play the third he'd have won. No-one else has ever slagged off Agassi as consistently as he, and just for that unique distinction he deserves some acclaim.

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Re: Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

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No-one else has ever slagged off Agassi as consistently as he, and just for that unique distinction he deserves some acclaim.
If it were Agassi slagging off consistently on someone else, you wouldn't be nearly as forgiving.

Also, Agassi has world respect. Something Rios will never attain.

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