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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

This has been in the south american media, because somebody on another board that I post on has been posting articles in languages other than English about it.

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Anyone who has access, I would be interested in seeing one of these articles, even if it's still in Spanish...
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Here is an article from one of the Chilean newspapers.

La vuelta de Ríos
Domingo 11 de Enero de 2004
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Marcelo Ríos ya casi no juega, pero por lo menos ahora habla.

En su calidad de comentarista radial
- en el programa La Chispa del Deporte de radio Chilena- el tenista critica el sistema de control doping de la ATP, a propósito de los últimos positivos del argentino Mariano Puerta y del inglés Greg Rusedski. Ríos cuestiona el procedimiento por considerarlo discriminatorio, poco transparente y protector de las figuras que, como Andre Agassi, generan riqueza y atraen nuevos negocios.

Tal vez los argumentos de Ríos sean atendibles y los métodos de la ATP sean tendenciosamente selectivos, tal vez su sospecha sea cierta y se escude a quienes hacen muy rentable la empresa. Pero viniendo de Ríos, cuán distinto y valioso habría sido que en lugar de hablar hoy, semi retirado, con la eterna y ya insufrible duda de seguir o largar, físicamente distante del circuito profesional y más lejos aún de la elite que alguna vez lideró, lo hubiera hecho cuando su voz se pudo haber convertido en un referente respetado y un motivo para que, por ejemplo, el sistema de detección de positivos no diera cabida a cuestionamientos internos ni públicos.

Años pasaron lamentándonos que Ríos opinara poco y nada de algo. ¿Para qué? Si lo que tiene que decir lo dice en la cancha, respondían sus defensores. Años se fueron tratando de seguirle la pista para sacarle algo más que lo agotador que eran los viajes; lo rutinaria que se hacía la vida en los hoteles y los aeropuertos; lo competitivo, brutal y poco amistoso que era el circuito; lo ignorante, malintencionado y banal que era el periodismo, y el tremendo sacrificio que había sido su elección de ser tenista profesional. Pero nada: la respuestas siempre
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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

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well let's see what becomes of this and george can you reply to my pm?
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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

oh Ive read some of the media on this. You guys have most of it wrong. Rios came out on Chilean radio saying that the ATP plays favorites when it comes to its most popular players (NOT that Agassi took drugs) and that when it comes to players like Agassi and Sampras, etc, guys who have buttressed the sport, the ATP never publicly discloses their drug tests while opting to publicly disclose those of the "lesser" players. He says that if Agassi had tested positive for nandrolene (a drug thats more common than you think) the ATP would never think to disclose it for economic reasons. Such a scandal would be too big for them to handle.

Its important to point out that Rios here never accuses Agassi or Sampras of taking drugs, but rather that the ATP goes to large efforts in protecting their reputations over others. He says no one has any way of knowing if whether or not the atp actually tests agassi or gives out the right results --there's no secondary independent body to certify such results along with the results published by the atp.

In other words, he and "the other south americans" [his words] have long speculated that the atp plays favorites when it comes to drug testing and accuses the atp of just being a little too sketchy in its public disclosures. He says the process should be more transparent.

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Well if thats what Rios actually said unomiele i would hate say it but i probably agree with him. The atp would never want one of their star players which promote the sport so much to have any taint of drugs near them but they dont minded naming lesser known players because at least then it looks like they are doing something about the drugs problem.

NOTE: I'm not accusing any of the top players of taking drugs.
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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

Heres a babelfish translaction of an article I found (I cleaned a lot of it up):

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Rios thinks that the ATP protects Agassi of doping "I know that if nandrolona were found on Agassi, they would not disclose it. He is a very prominent, very popular player and if he were to fall, the world of tennis would fall with him. The ATP would not say it. They are such a large dependent organization that it would be a problem if Agassi or Sampras tested positive", attacked the Chilean, ex- Nº1 of the world. The Marcelo Chilean Rios, ex- Nº1 of the world, accused the organization of the ATP of never openly disclosing certified drug tests on Andre Agassi. When commenting on the situation of dopajes of the Argentinean Mariano Puerta and, specifically, of the Englishman Greg Rusedski, whom respectively tested positive of clenbuterol and nandrolona, the Chilean not only lamented the incidents but accused the ATP of favortism. In his third radial commentary since the 2 of January on the microphones of Chilean Radio, Rios directly blamed the Association of Professional Tennis players (ATP) of not wanting to surface similar cases of doping of the more famous players, focusing instead on the "lesser" players of the tour. "[We]the South Americans have discussed it repeatedly. It is a complicated subject. I do not have problem in saying it: we always said (we asked ourselves) who publicly certifies the doping tests of Agassi or Sampras ?". The Chilean left-handed person remembered a case in Australia 2002 "where there was a control and Agassi disappeared, saying that they were going to kidnap his son..."

"I would love to be able to see and certify Agassi's doping tests because now I currently have no idea who is doing the test, and who decides who gets it and who doesn't."

"I know that if they were to find nandrolona on Agassi, they wouldnt say it to anybody. It would taint his reputation and bring tennis down dramatically. ATP would not say it. It is such a large organization that it would be a problem if Agassi tested positive ", he charged. The newspaper La Tercera consulted the ATP, in Pontevedra, Florida, and obtained an answer by them stating that "the procedures are very basic and clearly are specified for everybody on our website (www.atptennis.com) and it publicly states how many times controls to the players have been performed". "We do not have favorites nor do we hold something against the South Americans", said Greg Sharko, director of Communications of the ATP. In the offices of Agassi Enterprises, in Las Vegas, they avoided making any commentary until Perry Rogers, representative of the tennis player, returns from a business trip in Los Angeles.

According to the statistics of the ATP, during 2002 1,428 controls were made and amongst the most frequently tested players of that year, the Russian Marat Safin, the Argentinean Juan Ignacio Chela, the Czech Jim Novak, the Swiss Roger Federer and the Swedish Jonas Bjorkman, appeared with ten controls each.

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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

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Well if thats what Rios actually said unomiele i would hate say it but i probably agree with him. The atp would never want one of their star players which promote the sport so much to have any taint of drugs near them but they dont minded naming lesser known players because at least then it looks like they are doing something about the drugs problem.

NOTE: I'm not accusing any of the top players of taking drugs.
Yeah, I think Rios makes sense here --not to say it actually happens-- but that the players should talk about it makes me think that there should definitely be an independent parallel organization that tests the players. The ATP certainly can possess a lot of control and discretion over who gets "caught" and who doesn't. It is sad to think of it but it does seem rather strange to me that none of the top players ever got nailed for this. I mean Boris Becker was a self-confessed rabid pill popper and a bit of a coke head... how'd he get by the controls?

Its all pretty sketchy and the ATP should be made to answer for some of these accusations and make the process more transparent.
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Re: Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

Thanks Undomiele, for clearing this issue up. What he claimed in this article is nothing near to accusing Agassi of drug abuse.

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Rios is a dickhead............and i came to that conclusion a long time ago
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According to a South American tennis friend, the papers have been buzzing with Rios' accusation that Agassi ran out of the stadium during last year's Australian Open to avoid a mandatory urine test. Rios has accused Agassi of steroid use and tennis officials of favoritism. Although it is important to consider the source this story definitely raises questions that need to be answered. As an expert in a closely related field, this accusation makes me wonder about Agassi's change in physique and fitness level and loss of hair over the past few years. He also has a home in the Bay Area and a designated fitness expert and guru like Bonds and Giambi.

This was the post on some AOL board. Could someone from South America tell me if it is true that papers down there have been reporting Rios's claim?
Hasn't the idea that Andre might have used or still does use drugs crossed just about everyone's mind when he hooked up with Reyes and started to bulk up and put on muscle mass? I think everyone who has a background in the field raised an eyebrow, but that, I think, is just something you keep to yourself because it might be right or it might be wrong.

There are plenty of players that I wonder about, but I don't know anything for sure so I would only say something to someone I know very well just because that sort of gossip is hurtful. I'm sure the players (and others on the tour) speculate about these things too.

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I'd also like to say (with apologies to an Aussie comedian who made the same comment about an accusation that Hewitt might be juiced):

If Andre is on steroids then they're pretty crap steroids.

Plus, he's had 2 kids in about 2 years. Unlikely in a long term user.
Plenty of steroid users have had children.

Not saying that Andre does use steroids; but just pointing out that this isn't proof. Steroids aren't used constantly it's a cycle of use and laying off the use. Anyway, the use has become much more sophisticated than it was at one time. Lower levels of the drug are used now. But this is such a hush-hush field that those of us outside the inner circle really only get glimpses of what really happens.

I just say that because we don't know whether anybody does or does not use performance enhancing drugs, we shouldn't speculate.

Courrier way back when he was playing thought EPO was used far more than anyone thought, but no one has ever been accused of taking that drug.

But, I even suspect players that I like of using, so don't think I am just against Agassi.
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Yeah, I think Rios makes sense here --not to say it actually happens-- but that the players should talk about it makes me think that there should definitely be an independent parallel organization that tests the players. The ATP certainly can possess a lot of control and discretion over who gets "caught" and who doesn't. It is sad to think of it but it does seem rather strange to me that none of the top players ever got nailed for this. I mean Boris Becker was a self-confessed rabid pill popper and a bit of a coke head... how'd he get by the controls?

Its all pretty sketchy and the ATP should be made to answer for some of these accusations and make the process more transparent.
I also think there should be transparency in the testing process so that the players can have faith in the system. It should be an independent organization from the ATP. And all the tests should be blind.
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Hasn't the idea that Andre might have used or still does use drugs ever crossed just about everyone's mind when he hooked up with Reyes and started to bulk up and put on muscle mass? I think everyone who has a background in the field raised an eyebrow, but that, I think, is just something you keep to yourself because it might be right or it might be wrong.

There are plenty of players that I wonder about, but I don't know anything for sure so I would only say something to someone I know very well just because that sort of gossip is hurtful. I'm sure the players (and others on the tour) speculate about these things too.
Hard work can also increase muscle mass, and Andre's training off the court is well-documented.
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