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Comparison of the big five

I found the following website interesting

http://www.tennis28.com/ST/NB_Compare.html

Compares Federer, Ferrero, Roddick, Safin and Hewitt.

Hewitt is in the lead now but my opinion is that the others will catch up shortly.
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Thanks for that link, it was interesting. You are so hoping that Hewitt gets overtaken aren't you?

Looking at those figures, I noticed a few things
-Hewitt and Federer have the most 1st round exits- 6
-Ferrero has the best record from the semis with 2 semi final finishes, 2 runners up and a Slam win.
-Safin has the most DNPs and Federer has to overcome the 4th round fever and progress through this barrier.

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Re: Comparison of the big five

It is after looking at that site that made me realize really how quickly Roddick ascended the rankings. He debuted in 2000 while the others started in '97. He has been in the top 10 in almost as many weeks as Federer and has been on tour 3 years less than him.

I did a similar comparison thread on the New Balls awhile back, with detailed accomplishment charts and opinions...but the thread has been lost to MTF history. If I wasn't lazy, I'd do a search and bump the thread back up again. Ah well, come post-AO, I'll bump it back.

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Re: Comparison of the big five

Look at the surface split and we have:

Hard: Hewitt, FedEx, A-Rod
Clay: JCF
Grass: FedEx, A-Rod, Hewitt
Carpet: Hewitt, Safin

Hewitt is pretty dominated in all surfaces except clay, but I think it 's a matter of time. I think he'd find nowhere to dominate next year, when Roddick rules hard, JCF owns clay, FedEx rules grass and Safin dominate carpet. His just-run-and-run stylee wouldn't survive on any surface.
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Fascinating. Thanks for the link, WyverN.

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Re: Comparison of the big five

Thanx for it, Wyver.

Interesting the fact that Marat on 1997 was already on the top 200....and also Lleyton's jump from 1997 to 1998.

Btw....just wondering....were Marat or Lleyton good at juniors? I never heard too much of them. About Roger and Andy, I do have heard....they were on the top places, but what about Marat or Lleyton?

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Great link. Thanks!

Agreed that at this point Hewitt is still a step ahead of the others in accomplishments. This could change within the span of a year or two, however. Interested to see how Lleyton does this year!

Fascinating that Safin, Roddick, Ferrero and Federer all have 11 ATP titles, including just one major, at this point!

Also interesting that Roddick started on the tour a full three years later than all the others, but has caught up in a number of important stats. His head to head vs. the other new balls is still pretty bad, though.
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Interesting.. Thanks!
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I didn't realize that Hewitt had so many first round losses in slams... I assume that the majority of those came when he was just starting out, though. The fact that he played his first slam at 15 vs 19 for Ferrero, certainly has it's disadvantages when breaking down their numbers.

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It is after looking at that site that made me realize really how quickly Roddick ascended the rankings. He debuted in 2000 while the others started in '97. He has been in the top 10 in almost as many weeks as Federer and has been on tour 3 years less than him.

I did a similar comparison thread on the New Balls awhile back, with detailed accomplishment charts and opinions...but the thread has been lost to MTF history. If I wasn't lazy, I'd do a search and bump the thread back up again. Ah well, come post-AO, I'll bump it back.

Thanks for the link, WyverN.
Ferrero didn't start on the main tour in 1997. He played a scatter of future, challengers, etc. but was still a junior in 1998, when he made the RG boys final.

His "first year" on tour would have been 1999.

As for Roddick.... he played both Juniors and pro in 2000... and was fairly successful doing so, or he wouldn't have ended in the top 200

I'm not trying to say that Roddick's rise wasn't more rapid or impressive... it was. Numbers don't lie

But to say that Ferrero started in 1997 and compare them like that would be... silly

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Hewitt's rise was more impressive than Roddick's btw... especially when you consider the fact that he was only 16 at the end of 1997 when he had that ranking of 722. After that he skyrocketted... as we all know.

Aside than him, though, Roddick shot up the ranks faster than the rest.

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Interesting that Ferrero's stayed in the top 5 longer than Hewitt has at this point... especially when you consider that Ferrero is viewed as being inconsistent and Hewitt was seen as the master of consistency until this past season.

Of course, it's not really that interesting when you consider that most of Hewitt's "top 5" weeks were spent at number 1, thus Ferrero's got nothing on him

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look at how long it took everyone else to really crack into the top of the game. Roddick took only one year Marat did good in one year, but took him 3 years to really crack the top. same for Lleyton and Juan Carlos, took him 3 years. took Roger 4 years stats will be a little weird like the h2h and the slam results and stuff due to the age and when they turned pro. nice to see though

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look at how long it took everyone else to really crack into the top of the game. Roddick took only one year Marat did good in one year, but took him 3 years to really crack the top. same for Lleyton and Juan Carlos, took him 3 years. took Roger 4 years stats will be a little weird like the h2h and the slam results and stuff due to the age and when they turned pro. nice to see though
Lleyton was also 15 when he played his first grand slam. His rise to the top was more impressive than Roddick's... I already stated why I feel that way. Roddick was faster than everybody else, though.

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btw... I don't see anything wrong with the head to heads

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