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View Poll Results: Rankings not reflecting ability
Roddick No.5 15 11.19%
Safin No.49 79 58.96%
Henman No.65 7 5.22%
Djokovic No.66 5 3.73%
Wawrinka No.67 3 2.24%
Philippoussis No.162 2 1.49%
Labadze No.177 1 0.75%
Kucera No.312 2 1.49%
Kuerten No.322 18 13.43%
Other 2 1.49%
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Rankings out of line with ability...

Whose ranking least reflects their ability?

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R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
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R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) N/A 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
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Re: Rankings out of line with ability...

Safin hands down. He's only there b/c of injury and is obviously a top 5 player.

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Re: Rankings out of line with ability...

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Safin hands down. He's only there b/c of injury and is obviously a top 5 player.
Kuerten? Philippoussis? All the others? Lol.

(By the way, the suggestion with the poll is that Roddick's ranking is too high.)

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R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
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R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) N/A 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
S Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
W Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-3
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Re: Rankings out of line with ability...

Safin now.

Of course Kuerten should be top 10 by abilty, but he and others are old.

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Kuerten? Philippoussis? All the others? Lol.
but those guys are way older and at the end of their careers, so i think it's harder to argue that. If they were healthy they'd be ranked higher, sure, but I think Safin's is more obvious to me.
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(By the way, the suggestion with the poll is that Roddick's ranking is too high.)
no way, I never would have guessed. Never seen that argument before or anything Let's start a poll for a bunch of injured and older really talented guys, a couple young kids who are on the rise who are talented and haven't gotten a real high ranking yet, and one "middle-aged" player who everyone hates and thinks is untalented, so let's have him be the only one who's "over-ranked" Nah, never seen that before

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Re: Rankings out of line with ability...

Labadze is pure talent. Just a rather large-bellied talent...

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R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
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R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
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Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
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one "middle-aged" player who everyone hates and thinks is untalented, so let's have him be the only one who's "over-ranked" Nah, never seen that before
Chill. I don't hate Roddick. Just think his 'slide' such as it is in the rankings, is not over yet.

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R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 Fagel, Rick (USA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) N/A 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
S Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
W Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-3
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LOL That was quite funny... I think Roddick is ranked way too high...He is really a top 20 talent at best but that goes to show how good his serve is and how mentally strong he was ....
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...ok mentally strong may not quite be the right expression...essentially I meant that he got the best out of his game, a game which is one dimensional to put it nicely....he made the best with what he has...
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Chill. I don't hate Roddick. Just think his 'slide' such as it is in the rankings, is not over yet.
I didn't say you did. Just that I've seen this before

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...ok mentally strong may not quite be the right expression...essentially I meant that he got the best out of his game, a game which is one dimensional to put it nicely....he made the best with what he has...
Roddick has one of the least complete games, certainly in the world's top 50.

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R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 Fagel, Rick (USA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) N/A 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
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Whose ranking least reflects their ability?
The only correct answer to this poll is Safin unless you are talking about the players at their prime...

Unless Kuerten proves me wrong, he does not have the ability to climb back up the rankings because of his injury and will probably retire before his back has fully healed. Safin on the other hand should have many more years to do so and his current level is top 10.
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The only correct answer to this poll is Safin unless you are talking about the players at their prime...

Unless Kuerten proves me wrong, he does not have the ability to climb back up the rankings because of his injury and will probably retire before his back has fully healed. Safin on the other hand should have many more years to do so and his current level is top 10.
Safin is a potential number 1 and is still young. Unlike the others, he is likely to make a big jump back up the rankings.

However, if injuries were not an issue and all had full-fitness, Kuerten would be climbing the rankings quicker than anyone else on that list.

"My greatest point is my persistence. I never give up in a match. However down I am, I fight until the last ball. My list of matches shows that I have turned a great many so-called irretrievable defeats into victories."

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R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 Fagel, Rick (USA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) N/A 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
S Barazzutti, Corrado (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
W Vilas, Guillermo (ARG) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-3
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Re: Rankings out of line with ability...

Let's not forget Sjeng at 382.

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R128 Deblicker, Eric (FRA) N/A 6-1 6-1 6-1
R64 Fagel, Rick (USA) N/A 6-0 6-1 6-0
R32 Bertolucci, Paolo (ITA) N/A 6-0 6-2 6-2
R16 Tanner, Roscoe (USA) N/A 6-2 6-4 7-6
Q Ramirez, Raul (MEX) N/A 6-3 6-3 6-0
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Safin is a potential number 1 and is still young. Unlike the others, he is likely to make a big jump back up the rankings.

However, if injuries were not an issue and all had full-fitness, Kuerten would be climbing the rankings quicker than anyone else on that list.
Yes but Kuerten IS injured at the moment and sadly might never come back. Safin is now back and healthy (fingers crossed). So if you are talking about the present, Kuerten's ranking reflects his ability.
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