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Federer's backhand.

There is a lot of talk about how Federer has one of the best one handed backhands in the game, but in my opinion his top spin backhand barely makes the top 10 out of the one handers and if we add two handed backhands his would not even be in the top 20. Federer may have great variation on his backhand, but when he goes backhand to backhand with someone he nearly always comes out second best. I remember him saying that he mixes his one hander up, because one handers are not as consistent as the double handers. Though, this is true none of the other players have backhands that break down as frequently. His numbers of unforced errors compared to winners are never positive and it is really nothing more than a safety shot untill a forehand comes along. If he wants to dominate on clay he will need to improve this shot, because Nadal knows one shot to the backhand and he is back in the point (Federer knows this too). Also if the young guns live up to expectations they all have potentially great backhands ie Berdych, Baghdatis, Gasquet and Murray.

In my opinion Gasquet, Ljubicic, Haas, Gaudio and Calleri all have superior top spin shots not to mention the many two handers. Federer obviously can dominate the tour with the current state of his backhand, but if he wants to dominate clay and move his play on to an even higher level this is the shot he needs to improve. The question is he capable of improving this shot or is this the best we are going to see his backhand? Does he have to stand further back to time the swing better like Ljubicic and Gasquet or is it a question of improving the strength in the arm like Blake did?
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Re: Federer's backhand.

It does seem that he catches is late quite often
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Re: Federer's backhand.

Amazing what losing 2 matches in 1 year after 2 consecutive MS events and 1 GS will do.
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Re: Federer's backhand.

So nobody is speak when he is make a nice backhand down the line, is no easy when he is defensive always there in the corner after opponent make pressure, many do this now aginst Roger they think it's tactic to beat him but is not always they can make this shot to his backhand everytime. I am see alos many nice bakhand shot from him is look beautiful too.
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Liverpool makes a good point. Obviously this is not a time to panic as Roger is still dominating but how long is this gonna last? When the other players stop fearing him and grow some cujones or when the youngsters gain more experience things will get tough. No one can dominate their sport forever without making adjustments to their game. Look at hom many time tiger tweaked his golf swing. He basically did this so he can continue his domination. Fed does need to work on his backhand and for all its variety its an inconsistent shot but of course nowhere near as weak or a liability as Roddicks as Fed can and does make winners off the BH side. Yet there is significant room for improvement. Still not convinced?? Despite Gaudio losing his match against Nadal he was better able to handle the Nadal forehand topsin shot into his backhand than Fed.
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Federer is still the king of mens tennis. His talent is far above everybody elses and I know some people think it's a confidence thing with other players facing him, it's not, he's just better then them phsycially, talent wise, and mentally.

Federer I think might be the second best clay courter in the world, and defaintely the best player. I don't think he has anything to worry about and this is what he needs to win all the grandslams. He wants to win them all and by the sound of his interview he sound angry about losing to Nadal again.
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Re: Federer's backhand.

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There is a lot of talk about how Federer has one of the best one handed backhands in the game, but in my opinion his top spin backhand barely makes the top 10 out of the one handers and if we add two handed backhands his would not even be in the top 20. Federer may have great variation on his backhand, but when he goes backhand to backhand with someone he nearly always comes out second best. I remember him saying that he mixes his one hander up, because one handers are not as consistent as the double handers. Though, this is true none of the other players have backhands that break down as frequently. His numbers of unforced errors compared to winners are never positive and it is really nothing more than a safety shot untill a forehand comes along. If he wants to dominate on clay he will need to improve this shot, because Nadal knows one shot to the backhand and he is back in the point (Federer knows this too). Also if the young guns live up to expectations they all have potentially great backhands ie Berdych, Baghdatis, Gasquet and Murray.

In my opinion Gasquet, Ljubicic, Haas, Gaudio and Calleri all have superior top spin shots not to mention the many two handers. Federer obviously can dominate the tour with the current state of his backhand, but if he wants to dominate clay and move his play on to an even higher level this is the shot he needs to improve. The question is he capable of improving this shot or is this the best we are going to see his backhand? Does he have to stand further back to time the swing better like Ljubicic and Gasquet or is it a question of improving the strength in the arm like Blake did?
You are probably right, but come on now, lets not get carried away...no one's backhand breaks down? When any of those players above have a bad day (often against Fed) the groundies often fall apart.
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This is exactly what happened to Pete . In his prime he had what is considered one of the best backhands in the game , and towards the end of his career it wasn't a weapon anymore and he relied more heavily on his serve and volley game .
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Re: Federer's backhand.

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This is exactly what happened to Pete . In his prime he had what is considered one of the best backhands in the game , and towards the end of his career it wasn't a weapon anymore and he relied more heavily on his serve and volley game .
Sampras had the unkeen ability to hit some masterful shots off that backhand wing, but let's not get carried away. It was by far always the weakest point of his game, mostly because of the fact that at age 12 he switched from a 2 hander to a 1 hander. Seems as though it wasn't a natural shot.

Pete was also borderline 1 dimensional. A serve and forehand, he was merely that of an Andy Roddick clone with mental strength.
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Are you kidding me PrimaDonna??? Pete one dimensional?? Get your head out of your ass!! Whats roger without his forehand hmm?? You repeatedly reveal your dearth of tennis knowledge with your stupid and clearly biased comments. Most of you Fed fans are newcomers to tennis and have not seen sampras play in his heyday. Most of you saw him play when he was past his prime.

Federer overall game and movement on the court is certainly more stylish and "pretty" than Sampras's but to even suggest that Pete had a one dimensional game just to feed into your idea that Fed is the best there ever was is for lack of a better word STUPID. When Fed wins 14 grandslams you can brag all you want but please keep things in perspective.

FYI: Throughout the history of tennis there have been players who had as stylish a game as Feds and most would agree that Mcenroe was as talented even though MAC himeself regularly says that Fed is more talented than he was but who really knows. ITs hard to compare players in different eras considering the advances in the game. One can even argue that Richard Gasquet has an even more stylish (& Flamboyant) game than Feds and before you dismiss him as mentally fragile remember that Fed ONLY came into his own 3 years ago.

Lets break it down

Serve: First and Second Sampras definitely has the edge

Effectiveness of Forehands Equal

Backhand Slight edge to Fed

Movement Edge to Fed

Volleys Sampras was a great volleyer while Fed is a GOOD one

Mental About Equal

Stop and think before you post garbage. I know you are entitled to your opinion but please u dont have to disparage one of the greats to make Fed look good. He is great all on his own!!
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Re: Federer's backhand.

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Are you kidding me PrimaDonna??? Pete one dimensional?? Get your head out of your ass!! Whats roger without his forehand hmm?? You repeatedly reveal your dearth of tennis knowledge with your stupid and clearly biased comments. Most of you Fed fans are newcomers to tennis and have not seen sampras play in his heyday. Most of you saw him play when he was past his prime.

Federer overall game and movement on the court is certainly more stylish and "pretty" than Sampras's but to even suggest that Pete had a one dimensional game just to feed into your idea that Fed is the best there ever was is for lack of a better word STUPID. When Fed wins 14 grandslams you can brag all you want but please keep things in perspective.

FYI: Throughout the history of tennis there have been players who had as stylish a game as Feds and most would agree that Mcenroe was as talented even though MAC himeself regularly says that Fed is more talented than he was but who really knows. ITs hard to compare players in different eras considering the advances in the game. One can even argue that Richard Gasquet has an even more stylish (& Flamboyant) game than Feds and before you dismiss him as mentally fragile remember that Fed ONLY came into his own 3 years ago.

Lets break it down

Serve: First and Second Sampras definitely has the edge

Effectiveness of Forehands Equal

Backhand Slight edge to Fed

Movement Edge to Fed

Volleys Sampras was a great volleyer while Fed is a GOOD one

Mental About Equal

Stop and think before you post garbage. I know you are entitled to your opinion but please u dont have to disparage one of the greats to make Fed look good. He is great all on his own!!
If Pete possessed so many dimensions, then why is it that he failed in his mutiple attempts to capture Roland Garros ? He even gave up, as for referring to someone that is the epitome of "old school" on this board as a newbie, well done. I must commend you. Your genius is masterful.

Anyway, I don't need to really comment on issues that have been addressed by players whom faced Sampras in his prime.

Agassi has said even as much, maybe not in so many words. However, I do believe that my point is understood loud and clear. You've given no indication of otherwise.

Though it is always an option to take someone's words and twist them around to benefit your argument.
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Re: Federer's backhand.

BULL!!!

So John Mac, Ivan Lendly, Boris Becker but to name a few....are I suppose one dimensional as all of them failed to capture Roland Garros?? Before you get your panties in a twist consider this: Last year was the one and only time Fed made it past the 4th round?? If he is so great and multi dimensional why is it that he has not won it already or had better results there?? Oh yeah FYI Sampras has been as far as the Semis at RG. How do you explain this with his one dimensional game?? I guess his opponents let him win or the courts were fast that year???

AND if you are THE epitome of old school as you proclaim how do u explain your repeated offenses of spouting nonsensical statements that ONLY a person who knows little about tennis would state??????

YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE.........
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Last year was the one and only time Fed made it past the 4th round??
He did make it to the QF back in 2001 but I agree on the rest
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Yes sorry about that. I forgot his QF run that year. I do admire a Fed Fan who can be OBJECTIVE. HE is GREAT. This fact is undeniable but there is no need to disparage past or current players while defending Fed or conveying his greatness. There can be more than one great player at a time. Fed is a great player but so is Nadal to name a few. Pete was and will always remain a great tennis player.

Besides can you imagine how many Grandslams_particularly Wimbeldon_ Bjorg would have won but for his premature retirement. This guy was consuming grandslams at a ridiculous pace and could have had more that 14 for sure but woulda coulda shoulda....none of this detracts from his greatness though
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BULL!!!

So John Mac, Ivan Lendly, Boris Becker but to name a few....are I suppose one dimensional as all of them failed to capture Roland Garros?? Before you get your panties in a twist consider this: Last year was the one and only time Fed made it past the 4th round?? If he is so great and multi dimensional why is it that he has not won it already or had better results there?? Oh yeah FYI Sampras has been as far as the Semis at RG. How do you explain this with his one dimensional game?? I guess his opponents let him win or the courts were fast that year???

AND if you are THE epitome of old school as you proclaim how do u explain your repeated offenses of spouting nonsensical statements that ONLY a person who knows little about tennis would state??????

YOU ARE FOOLING NO ONE.........
Can we please have one discussion about Federer without someone deciding to start a Sampras was better argument?

Back on topic, Nadal seems to be able to exploit a slight weakness in Fed's backhand but as far as the rest of the tour goes it doesn't seem to be too much of an issue - hence only two losses so far this year. Of course there will be those with better backhands than Federer but his overall game is far better than most others.

However i would like to see your list of those ten one handed backhands which are better than Federer's. Thanks!
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