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Nadal now leads Fed 4-1 H2H, does he own him?

I know it was kinda expected, but Nadal beat Federer in 4 sets today in the monaco final. He now leads their head to head 4-1. Considering the unbelievable regard in which Roger is held throughout the world, everyone think hes just wins wins wins, and dominates completely. This is 99% true, except for when he has to face Rafa.

former champions and respected tennis pundits have said the last couple of years will be looked on as one of the most dominant times of mens tennis. Again, this is mostly true, but how can it be described as a totally dominant period when the #1 player has a 1-4 record over the #2?

all this after roger said about Nadal - hes quite one dimensional.

I think Roger is gonna have to work work work or else he can kiss goodbye to roland garrosIt might end up another Sampras situation, as Nadal isnt going to decline, hes going to keep imrpoving. I honestly think the only way in hell Roger will win the french is if someone else beats Nadal, i cant see him doing it on clay.

However, by the same token, I also think, the only way Roger wont win wimbledon or the us open is if someone else breaks his wrist.

I have a huge respect for both guys. No doubt in my mind Roger is most awsome player ever probably, Nadal is also amazing, and he is HOT! hehe and also mega exciting to watch.

I think he may have gotten into Rogers head a little, I think Roger will fear him a lot more than he will fear Roger, howeverr, if we are in such a 'period of dominance of one player' as is the way the whole world seems to think it is in the mens game right now, shouldnt that statement be laughed out of court?
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Re: Nadal now leads Fed 4-1 H2H, does he own him?

Yes Nadal owns Roger at this very moment. He also should have beaten him in the Miami finals, still can't believe he choked that match away . Though I don't see Nadal completely owning Roger for the rest of their careers, Roger will eventually know how to deal with Rafa's game and finally start to get a few wins in here and there.

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Nadal complete owns Federer big time ... it's already 4-1 and many more wins from Nadal to come. When Nadal not getting injured with playing style, I guess Federer retires with something around 5-17 in his career against Nadal

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In the language of MTF, yes this is what people would call owning a player I guess
Since there are other players who hvae winning HTH with nadal, it is most likely that this is a big psychological edge that rafal is now developing on Roge
It is all about matchups. Roge, in this sense, "owns" so many players including practically all of the remaining top 10 (other tahn rafal), but I am sure he would give a lot to at least even the H2H with rafal
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Re: Nadal now leads Fed 4-1 H2H, does he own him?

Nadal owns him for now, but things can always change. And I don't agree that other players have a better chance against Rafael on clay than Federer. Who does match up better? I haven't seen anyone come close as Federer did today in quite a while!

But Roland Garros will always be difficult for Roger because there are a whole handful of players who can beat him there besides just Nadal.
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Nadal owns him for now, but things can always change. And I don't agree that other players have a better chance against Rafael on clay than Federer. Who does match up better? I haven't seen anyone come close as Federer did today in quite a while!
There is not enough data to do this.. but Andreev and Gaudio do have better records than Roge does against rafel on clay
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I didn't have the privilege of seeing the match, but it sounds like it was pretty close. I have difficulty discounting Roger any chance of beating Nadal on clay. Roger seems to be getting better on clay, as he seems to get better on all surfaces.

Leo makes a good point that there are a number of players that can beat Roger on clay, unlike other surfaces. One thing about Nadal. He is supremely talented, but let's not concede the next eight Roland Garros titles to him quite yet. Over the past 15 years we've seen a number of players dominate on clay (granted, maybe not to the degree that Nadal is currently), but have difficulty sustaining that dominance over a prolonged period. A lot of people thought Courier would own the French for an extended period, but Bruguera was able to dethrone him. Then the same was thought of Bruguera but it didn't materialize. The same was thought of Ferrero. Lots of factors (particularly health) come into play.

Also, Roger lost his first five or six to Nalby and has since righted the ship. Give this rivalry time. For now, Nadal gets the edge on clay, Roger the edge on other surfaces in my book.
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Re: Nadal now leads Fed 4-1 H2H, does he own him?

Has this ever happened before historically (dominant player just can't deal with the #2?)
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I am sure that roger will figure it out, but right now rafa's definitely in his head and owns him.

Sure Fed got piqued re people bringing up the unforced error count--but a lot of the errors he made today were just nervous ones and bad misses. I mean, 78 unforced errors is just too many unforced errors, whether you are going for it or not.

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When Rafa will lead 5-1 I hope to be the first one to post it in the GWH's thread

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Re: Nadal now leads Fed 4-1 H2H, does he own him?

4-1 is pretty impressive, no one else has h2h's like that with Fed, that are recent. Rafa definitely owns Fed. Roger just can't deal with Rafa, his game forces Fed to make errors, he had almost twice as many UE's than Nadal today. However, I think it's fair to say he is improving. Todays match was awfully close. It's a great rivalry, but I can't see Fed being beat by Rafa every single time they play in the future.

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Re: Nadal now leads Fed 4-1 H2H, does he own him?

The magical one's serve was broken 7 times. Nadal served double faults at 5-4 (which made Fed fans confident that he'd choke and then also receive bad calls on break point chances just like in MIAMI). Agassi must know the choking feeling too after he lost a break point conversion due to a bad call at 2004 Indian Wells.
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Nadal owns him for now, but things can always change. And I don't agree that other players have a better chance against Rafael on clay than Federer. Who does match up better? I haven't seen anyone come close as Federer did today in quite a while!

But Roland Garros will always be difficult for Roger because there are a whole handful of players who can beat him there besides just Nadal.
Federer doesn't have as huge weapons as some guys... which is what troubles Nadal.

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There is not enough data to do this.. but Andreev and Gaudio do have better records than Roge does against rafel on clay
Gaudio has performed awfully against Nadal for the past year. And Andreev loses to the likes of Ljubicic on clay, so yeah...
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Hopefully, fed will figure out nadal before he retires.
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