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Re: Who was better, Peak Safin or Peak Santoro?

gotta go with peak santoro.

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A good question.

Despite skewed H2H, and Santoro being clearly more versatile and more talented player I still have to give it to Safin. He had a slightly higher peak.

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Re: Who was better, Peak Safin or Peak Santoro?

7-2 holyfuck, were those losses during Safins prime?

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7-2 holyfuck, were those losses during Safins prime?
Safin hated to play Santoro, in fact he joked a couple of times saying that when he run into him in a tournament or something he would run away.

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You know the question "who would win" is entirely different from "who was better" right?
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So much so for Peak Safin, . What happened to the pure brilliance offensive shotmaker of Safin? Couldnt even handle Santaro..Fedtards any explanation?
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So much so for Peak Safin, . What happened to the pure brilliance offensive shotmaker of Safin? Couldnt even handle Santaro..Fedtards any explanation?
Peakoro owned peak Djokovic too. Oldoro 6-3 6-2 Peak Djokovic, imagine what Peakoro would have done...

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So much so for Peak Safin, . What happened to the pure brilliance offensive shotmaker of Safin? Couldnt even handle Santaro..Fedtards any explanation?
A thing called match ups. Santoro would give someone like Wawrinka fits, and even Djokovic probably wouldn't like playing him much.

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I remember when Ferrer almost triple bageled Santoro at Roland Garros, precious times. That one game he lost was probably an enormous choke.

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Peakoro owned peak Djokovic too. Oldoro 6-3 6-2 Peak Djokovic, imagine what Peakoro would have done...
2007 was hardly peak for Djokovic. And players like Santaro dont have peak really. they just get better with Age using their experience,wilyness etc. Santoro belongs to Ferrer Category, actually its the other way around. Ferrer belongs to Santaro Category. And it looks like Santaro was a better version of Ferrer although i hardly bothered to watch Santaro matches to be Honest.
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2007 was hardly peak for Djokovic. And players like Santaro dont have peak really. they just get better with Age using their experience,wilyness etc. Santoro belongs to Ferrer Category, actually its the other way around. Ferrer belongs to Santaro Category. And it looks like Santaro was a better version of Ferrer although i hardly bothered to watch Santaro matches to be Honest.
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2007 was hardly peak for Djokovic. And players like Santaro dont have peak really. they just get better with Age using their experience,wilyness etc. Santoro belongs to Ferrer Category, actually its the other way around. Ferrer belongs to Santaro Category. And it looks like Santaro was a better version of Ferrer although i hardly bothered to watch Santaro matches to be Honest.
Comparing Santoro and Ferrer... I mean most members here make it obvious they started watching tennis yesterday but this is on a new level.
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2007 was hardly peak for Djokovic. And players like Santaro dont have peak really. they just get better with Age using their experience,wilyness etc. Santoro belongs to Ferrer Category, actually its the other way around. Ferrer belongs to Santaro Category. And it looks like Santaro was a better version of Ferrer although i hardly bothered to watch Santaro matches to be Honest.
Yet you bother to come out with intriguing insight like he was a rich man's Ferrer.
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Yet you bother to come out with intriguing insight like he was a rich man's Ferrer.
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A thing called match ups. Santoro would give someone like Wawrinka fits, and even Djokovic probably wouldn't like playing him much.
Doesn't mean he won't beat him more often than not if he played him more often. Djokovic wouldn't have an embarrassing H2H with Santoro if he played him as much as Safin did. He would adapt and beat him everytime once he knows what to do. That H2H just shows how overrated Safin's talent is. He couldn't even adapt to solve a match-up with Santoro. A player way below his level. The "bad match-up" excuse doesn't cut it in that case because there is a big difference in term of level as tennis players. Big 4 wouldn't have embarrasing H2H vs such inferior players even if they were extremely tricky or "bad match-ups". Great players overcome such things.

For the very top players, bad match-ups can be a legit excuse if the opponent plays at least close to that level. Old man against Nadal for example. I'm glad you mentioned Wawrinka because Safin belongs with him not with big 3 or even Murray who is a much better player (his resume speaks for itself). I made this thread just to show how overrated Safin is. If the guy was so talented, why he couldn't solve a match-up with way way inferior player? And it's not like he played Santoro few times. He played him 9 times. That's a lot of matches to adapt your game for your opponent. Safin was just the Stan of that generation. Nothing more. Great players but not really better than Murray.


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