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Hi everyone, not posted on here before. I'm just wondering who you guys think will be the highest ranked young player by the end of the year out of Murray, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, Monfils and Djokovic? Been inspired by Murray's win last night to ask this. I think Gasquet will be top ten if he can get through this bad patch he's having at the moment. Then i think Baghdatis, Berdych and Murray will be somewhere between 10 and 20. Not too sure about Monfils and Djokovic. Any thoughts?
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Baghdatis, Berdych, Gasquet, Murray, Monfils, Djokovic
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Baghdatis is the most impressive so far and he beat 3 top 5 players and gave Roger a scare before failing physically. Andy M has been impressive lately but he beat 2 slumping former slam champs. The rest are so and so . The worst is Gasquet and I think he is getting exposed every time
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really, gasquet is the worst? what do you think of monfils and djokovik? i haven't been able to see much of their careers so far. i really hope baghdatis can build from the fab aussie open result and not just crumble away. didn't he get to the fourth round last year but then not achieve much for the rest of the year (or am i thinking of someone else)?
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Yeah, Gasquet like Roddick is losing to anybody right now.

Monfils was right in that match in the third set with Grosjean.

Djokovic - haven't seen or followed much of him - the jury is out

Marcos was injured most of last year so he couldn't follow up on last year's AO.
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oh right, it was a shame baghdatis was injured, lets hope he makes the most of this year! hadn't seen that much of him before the ao this year but he seems to have a great game and a great personality to match...really pushed federer in the final! i reckon roddick will be out of the top 10 pretty soon...he seems to be very one-dimensional to me
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Gasquet is slow and mentally weak. That is unforgiveable in today's athletic game. Djokovic will be a player , he has a complete game but needs more experience to build easier points. Monfils is just an athlete that lacks fundamentals. He is a poor man Roddick that stays way behind the baseline. You are right about Baghdatis though, he needs to prove himself much more and outside of Australia
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Hi everyone, not posted on here before. I'm just wondering who you guys think will be the highest ranked young player by the end of the year out of Murray, Gasquet, Baghdatis, Berdych, Monfils and Djokovic? Been inspired by Murray's win last night to ask this. I think Gasquet will be top ten if he can get through this bad patch he's having at the moment. Then i think Baghdatis, Berdych and Murray will be somewhere between 10 and 20. Not too sure about Monfils and Djokovic. Any thoughts?
I think Gasquet has the most talent, if he plays at the top of his game he can give anyone including Federer a real match. We all saw that when he beat Roger last year. His mindset is a real stumbling block, I just don't get the feeling he cares about losing most of the time. It is great to watch him but also painful to support him. He has, probably, the best backhand in tennis so the weapon is there, he maybe needs to make his serve more of a weapon. I think he is clearly a future slam winner.

Baghdatis is maybe the next most talented, I think he showed everyone what he could do at the AO so there isn't much to say, I don't think he will become a top player for a while yet but I think if he stays all there mentally he can get some huge wins this year. Again, brilliant to watch but we haven't seen enough of him to know if AO was just a superhot streak or if we are going to have to get used to that ripping forehand. He will be a great character for years to come I hope, he also has a great five set recford so good in slams.

Murray is very impressive, he is a real all round player, big serve, big forehand, big backhand, can hit a volley and he has a good mindset. He needs to work on his second serve alot because it lets him down. I think his ability to change pace is under-rated and we could be seeing alot of slow backhands followed by whipped forehands over the years. I think he is not as naturally talented as the two above but he isn't as old or developed and we will see where his game goes in the next couple of years. Not a real slam challenger for now but still a big threat to most when he is on his game.

Berdych is a good player and I think he will give people a good game but when I see him I don't think he is destined for the very top. He has great strokes but not quite as good as Gasquet or Baggy and he, like Gasquet, has a very fragile mentality. If he's on form he is a threat to anyone but so far we haven't seen much consistency, that'll have to improve if his ranking is going to rise much higher. He can be great as we saw last year when he won a TMS but he hasn't been brilliant in slams yet, we should see him do well at a slam soon I expect.

Monfils is a great player, I have seen him quite a bit and he has really strong defensive game and a really strong offensive game, he is fairly similar to Murray in many ways but he is stronger and faster, not as good at changing pace but he can hit harder. He also has a great tendancy to ace his way out of trouble when he needs to. A very poor showing at the AO but a final in Doha under his belt where he gave Federer a decent workout. He can be a big challenge for anyone in a slam but has to work on changing it up abit.

Djokovic is a good player and I think he will be winning some major matches soon, He took Ljubicic to three tight sets in Zagreb and had a notable run in the US Open last year where he beat Monfils and Ancic. He, like Baghdatis, has had a rough ride with injuries and I think we have yet to see what this boy can really do. I expect him to get some more matches under his belt and then maybe we can see how good a player he really can be. He has already got good experience of winning and losing five setters so going the distance in a slam should be no problem for him.



That's my overview of the players, now I'll give a rough guess as to where I see them ending the year assuming none of them have any major injuries.

Gasquet: Clearly has all the talent but his mind will prevent him becoming a top player just yet, expect to see him around 10-15 or, if he has a hot streak during a slam, around 6-10.

Baghdatis: Great shotmaker, has huge hype to live up to but he has a great mind. Very few points to defend for most of the year and already a slam finalist, expect to see him around 8-13.

Murray: Great talent, under huge media pressure and nnot yet fully developed. Shown he can win big matches. Expect to see him a bit lower down, maybe around 15-25 depending on good or bad draws.

Berdych: Can be brilliant but can be dreadful, if he can get some consistency expect to see him jostling around the 13-18 area but if he can't get it sorted then expect a 20-25 position.

Monfils: Huge shots and very hard to put shots away against him. He can beat most 10-20 players if he plays well but probably not ready for top 10 just yet. Expect a position around 15-20 but could be near the top 10.

Djokovic: Not proved himself as much as the others yet but a great talent. Not so much pressure on him, expect him to slide into the top 30 at the very least and could be as high as 20.



This is only if these guys play fairly well and stay injury free which is by no means a gauruntee.

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i was in the crowd for each of gasquet's matches at the Nottingham Open last year where he won his first (and only!) title and he looked pretty good then. what about when he beat federer that time? has he just gone off the boil this year or do you think he was never as good as people made him out to be?
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i was in the crowd for each of gasquet's matches at the Nottingham Open last year where he won his first (and only!) title and he looked pretty good then. what about when he beat federer that time? has he just gone off the boil this year or do you think he was never as good as people made him out to be?
As far as I'm concerned he is the most talented of the youngsters (aside from Nadal) but he is on a slump at the moment.

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thanks stebs, that's a really good breakdown of what they're all capable of
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Murray: Great talent, under huge media pressure and nnot yet fully developed. Shown he can win big matches. Expect to see him a bit lower down, maybe around 15-25 depending on good or bad draws.
Stebs, I really like your overview - it's unbiased and sounds well thought out. I especially see the huge pressure getting to Murray at some point in his career, he would have to be incredibly mentally strong and mature for it not to.

As for the poster bashing on Gasquet, I'm not sure that they watched any of his matches from last year or if they understand the meaning of the word slump. As such a young player, he had a pretty impressive run last year and has time to go through slumps now before he matures as a player.

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hi kajonie, i agree the pressure will inevitably get to murray at some point, although he seems quite level-headed at the moment. maybe this is why he does well in the US without the british media hounding him (the worst in the world IMO). i think maybe gasquet is still feeling last year and may take a while to settle down this year, as with murray and the others maybe we can't expect so much from him yet.
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1. baghdatis - potential one of the best ever.
= Nadal
2. Berdych

3. gasquet

4. Djokovic

5. Monfils

6. Murray - over rated mouth opener
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really, gasquet is the worst? what do you think of monfils and djokovik? i haven't been able to see much of their careers so far. i really hope baghdatis can build from the fab aussie open result and not just crumble away. didn't he get to the fourth round last year but then not achieve much for the rest of the year (or am i thinking of someone else)?
he lost to federer in 05 in 4rth i think yea
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