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Re: Henman slays 3 GS champs to win Paris Masters title

Forgot Henman had a RG semi-final

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In many ways he was the late 90s/early 00s David Ferrer, always there and about, winning smaller tournaments and reaching R4/QF in Masters and also managing SF's in a number of GS events. He was inferior to Ferrer though because he could never string together everything in one tournament aside from that time in Paris, thus why Ferrer will always beat Henman in a battle of the also runs.

It's interesting to see this old thread revived though, I used to be a massive Henman fan and was always so frustrated that he couldn't make that last step into consistent Grand Slam challenger. It's also interesting as it heralded Henman's last great year, winter 2003 to winter 2004. He reached the final of the next Masters event (Indian Wells 2004), QF at Monte Carlo (on clay!), somehow quite incredibly reached the Semi-Finals at Roland Garros and was a set and a break up, something which I still don't understand given his general uselessness on clay in 90% of the other clay tournaments he competed in, QF at Wimbledon (if the courts hadn't slowed he might have had a chance) and then after an indifferent American hard court season came back into form for a US Open SF and then lost close matches to Safin and Rodick before beating Coria at the Masters Cup.

It seemed like he was finally on the path to putting together the talent we all knew he had with the mental ability to regularly go deep into tournaments and even play on clay...well then 2005-07 happened, his game went off a cliff, as did his body and he never recovered that 2003/4 form. A real shame.

It's funny that Roland Garros 2004 was probably Tim's best chance at a Grand Slam title along with the Aussie Open in 2000, how the hell he stuffed that up when seeds were falling all over the place I don't know, and the infamous 2001 Wimbledon.
what do you actually mean here? "Apart from time in Paris" is better than anything Pics has won.

plus Tim had more slam semis

oh, and 1999 AO I assume for missed chances, that was a fairly epic chance. In 2000, he had a decent half a draw, but had Kafelnikov in the SF and Agassi/Sampras in F iirc.

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Maybe the RG organisers laid down red grass as the surface that year .

His R4 match Llodra where he fought back from two sets to love down, saved a match point and won 9-7 in the 5th set, and then his QF demolition of Chela, were both awesome.
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you better believe it. That was his best chance imo. A set and a break up vs. Coria and 5-3 up in the 4th.

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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.

I'm no Fakervic fan but he needs to save tennis, sadly tree trunk legs will be fresh. Interesting he's never questioned....
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In many ways he was the late 90s/early 00s David Ferrer, always there and about, winning smaller tournaments and reaching R4/QF in Masters and also managing SF's in a number of GS events. He was inferior to Ferrer though because he could never string together everything in one tournament aside from that time in Paris, thus why Ferrer will always beat Henman in a battle of the also runs.

It's interesting to see this old thread revived though, I used to be a massive Henman fan and was always so frustrated that he couldn't make that last step into consistent Grand Slam challenger. It's also interesting as it heralded Henman's last great year, winter 2003 to winter 2004. He reached the final of the next Masters event (Indian Wells 2004), QF at Monte Carlo (on clay!), somehow quite incredibly reached the Semi-Finals at Roland Garros and was a set and a break up, something which I still don't understand given his general uselessness on clay in 90% of the other clay tournaments he competed in, QF at Wimbledon (if the courts hadn't slowed he might have had a chance) and then after an indifferent American hard court season came back into form for a US Open SF and then lost close matches to Safin and Rodick before beating Coria at the Masters Cup.

It seemed like he was finally on the path to putting together the talent we all knew he had with the mental ability to regularly go deep into tournaments and even play on clay...well then 2005-07 happened, his game went off a cliff, as did his body and he never recovered that 2003/4 form. A real shame.

It's funny that Roland Garros 2004 was probably Tim's best chance at a Grand Slam title along with the Aussie Open in 2000, how the hell he stuffed that up when seeds were falling all over the place I don't know, and the infamous 2001 Wimbledon.
Nah, Has Ferrer ever been 1 set from a slam final? Coming off a 6-0 set to boot!

2002 Wimbledon was classic, Agassi, Sampy etc all out, the headline "if you stuff this up now...", he ran into Hewitt to regularly crushed him and all S&V back then.

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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.

I'm no Fakervic fan but he needs to save tennis, sadly tree trunk legs will be fresh. Interesting he's never questioned....
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Yes I saw him live at Queens too! It was great, aside from the fact that it was a NID loss to Hewitt, ahh well
Yeah Hewitt was just a nightmare match-up for him in every sense. The 2001 Queen's final between them was a very entertaining and high quality match, and in the 2002 final Henman played great in the first set before Hewitt fought back. In their 2006 semi-final I remember Henman's temper tantrum over a line call when he was a break up early in the final set. He lost his composure after that. Still at least he finally got a win over Hewitt at Miami earlier that year.

I remember people talking about the 2002 Australian Open being a huge wasted opportunity by him. He had won the title at Adelaide and then reached R4 before being straight setted by Bjorkman. The bottom half of the draw which he was in was absolutely decimated by withdrawals and upsets that year.
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Watched that masters it was great. Heeman swiped them like a sir.

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He was always struggling on that Aussie Hard court, perhaps the bounce?

I saw his last ever win at Wimbledon v moya in 07. A typical Henman match that was something like 12-10 at the end :l:

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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.

I'm no Fakervic fan but he needs to save tennis, sadly tree trunk legs will be fresh. Interesting he's never questioned....
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Ah, Tim was so beautiful to watch. He's the guy that got me into tennis when I was young. His hands were just unreal.

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great bump, how did you find it

was one of my fave weeks ever, was funny he won here when ranked like 40 something coz this was a horrible tournament to Tim all the previous times he played it, he always came into in the top8 for Masters cups and would choke in 1st or 2nd round and someone would pass him and kick him out of Masters Cup, drove me nuts

he lost in 1998 here to Kafelnikov from 5-1 up in third set

and in 2002 only Moya could pass him to make the masters and i remember Henman lost to Escude then on the night match Grosjean being like 6-3 5-3 40-0 up v Moya and losing, i nearly smashed my tv to pieces, f;en idiot Grosjean
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I remember that SF run at RG in 2004. I was rooting for him so much and then he mugged up against Coria. I also remember him coming back against Llodra from 0-2 in R1 and playing some amazing passing shots. That was the first time I saw Llodra as well. Great memories.


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Haha, Federer smashing his racket into the court at 1.30

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great bump, how did you find it

was one of my fave weeks ever, was funny he won here when ranked like 40 something coz this was a horrible tournament to Tim all the previous times he played it, he always came into in the top8 for Masters cups and would choke in 1st or 2nd round and someone would pass him and kick him out of Masters Cup, drove me nuts

he lost in 1998 here to Kafelnikov from 5-1 up in third set

and in 2002 only Moya could pass him to make the masters and i remember Henman lost to Escude then on the night match Grosjean being like 6-3 5-3 40-0 up v Moya and losing, i nearly smashed my tv to pieces, f;en idiot Grosjean
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The worst was Basel 99, probably the first match I had ever watched in full outside Wimby. Henners went 2 sets down, mounted a beast come back to 2-2 and then collapsed in the tiebreak argghhhhh!!!

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As for Mugray, what can be said? A disgusting human being, and awful player, and a choking pushing mug. He looks like a kemo patient, bald spots, hairless legs, pasty blotchy skin, busted teeth, and an ugly, snarling face. Typical antics all came out in this match: faking injuries, grimacing and cursing, trying to peg Fed, trying to start drama, undeserved final based on an exhausted old man and a joke draw.

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what do you actually mean here? "Apart from time in Paris" is better than anything Pics has won.

plus Tim had more slam semis

oh, and 1999 AO I assume for missed chances, that was a fairly epic chance. In 2000, he had a decent half a draw, but had Kafelnikov in the SF and Agassi/Sampras in F iirc.
It's also worth reamphasizing that the courts were much more diverse during Henman's time. You couldn't just coast from the Australian to the French and expect similar bounces. The differences lended themselves to different styles, different dynamics, and greater chances of upsets/losses.
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