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Federer has more ATP 250 titles than other Big 4 players

Federer won 85 titles so far and most of them are easy peasy ATP 250s....Despite not facing good competition in his prime....he had won 25 ATP 250 titles and most of them came from Halle 250 tournament. We all know what kind of draws he gets there every year.

Take Nadal for example he has more Slams and Masters 1000 titles combined than federer which is very difficult to achieve. And Djokovic has more Masters 1000 wins than Federer.

The most difficult achievement in tennis:
A combined Slam and Masters count:

Nadal - 41
Federer- 40
Djokovic -32

If Nadal and Djokovic stops playing the tougher tournaments (slam and masters 1000)..they would have surpassed federer total titles category.

This clearly is an indication of why Federer's total number of titles should not be valued much.

By the way...Thomas Muster is the leader in ATP 250 wins....with 26 and federer is going to beat him soon.

If a top player wins more ATP 100 or 250 tournaments...would you call that an achievement and praise him?
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Vulture of disgusting proportions ... Whats new?

He vultured slams FFS!

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Re: Federer has more ATP 250 titles than other Big 4 players

IMO...I think the top players should not play 250s...as that will give an opportunity for lower tier players to win tournaments. Top players entering these events will deny an opportunity for the lower tier players.

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IMO...I think the top players should not play 250s...as that will give an opportunity for lower tier players to win tournaments. Top players entering these events will deny an opportunity for the lower tier players.
Too true but greed for money and legacy knows no bounds

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Too true but greed for money and legacy knows no bounds
I thought the same and disappointed...when federer didn't skip French Open last year to witness his sons birth.

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I thought the same and disappointed...when federer didn't skip French Open last year to witness his sons birth.
That's just sad but these guys are driven by desire to enhance their legacy !

Federer is still playing because his 17 looked under considerable risk , I expect him to retire now it is clear that Rafa will not go on slam winning runs anymore.

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Re: Federer has more ATP 250 titles than other Big 4 players

He also has more slams.

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That's just sad but these guys are driven by desire to enhance their legacy !

Federer is still playing because his 17 looked under considerable risk , I expect him to retire now it is clear that Rafa will not go on slam winning runs anymore.
True...but the most important point that I want to bring in this thread is that 250 tournaments are good opportunities for lower tier players to win titles.

ATP should allow the top players to not play more than 1 ATP 250 per year...that can protect the lower tier players.

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True Federer has more slams.
And when you win slams you are respected, but you won't get the same respect on 250 titles.

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Re: Federer has more ATP 250 titles than other Big 4 players

Welcome to MTF, where winning more titles somehow makes you a worse player.
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Welcome to MTF, where winning more titles somehow makes you a worse player.
Winning more titles is still an achievement.

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True...but the most important point that I want to bring in this thread is that 250 tournaments are good opportunities for lower tier players to win titles.

ATP should allow the top players to not play more than 1 ATP 250 per year...that can protect the lower tier players.
Yes, there should be a rule to bar top 20 players from taking part.

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Re: Federer has more ATP 250 titles than other Big 4 players

Players are supposed to play two 250 tournaments a year. Federer is 45 years old now so if anything he has underachieved in 250s.
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Federer is 45 years old now so if anything he has underachieved in 250s.

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Just shows that he's smarter tactician

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