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Since Hewitt has Wimbledon can Nadal win too?

Its hard for me to believe with Nadal's playing style that he can win Wimbledon. But Hewitt plays a similar style and he won. So can Nadal possibly win Wimbledon before he retires?
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Re: Since Hewitt has Wimbledon can Nadal win too?

Hewitt has a better serve and a much better volley. Rafa needs to improve his serve and net playing. Heavier shots from baseline would also help.
But I think he needs to win a hard court one first.
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Re: Since Hewitt has Wimbledon can Nadal win too?

cant see him doing that. federer roddick johansson will be sharing them in the couple of years

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Re: Since Hewitt has Wimbledon can Nadal win too?

Nadal & Hewitt are 2 breeds of defensive player.

Nadal - dirtball defense.
Hewitt - defense to suited to faster surfaces.

It shows just how much different the world of clay is.

Hewitt enjoys returning quicker serves, enjoys pace and isn't bothered by slice nearly as much.

Nadal on the other hand, is not nearly the returner that Lleyton is, doesn't like too much pace and is vulnerable with those extreme grips to slice.

Hewitt is a classic counterpuncher.
Nadal is not a true counterpuncher, his game is more of a reflection of the only way there is really to win on clay (unless your name is Guga Kuerten) and that's not very pretty.

They are both in defensive mode, but no, Nadal has way too many spins in his artillery, he can't flatten them out and maintain any sort of consistency. Plus, last I checked: Roger Federer.

It is so far fetched, no, no and more NO.

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Re: Since Hewitt has Wimbledon can Nadal win too?

The concept of Hewitt and Nadal's "similar styles" is about as amusing as that thread describing Nadal as a left-handed Hewitt that popped up in GM during the clay season.

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Re: Since Hewitt has Wimbledon can Nadal win too?

It's also important to remember that grass bounces low and Hewitt likes that, whereas Rafa loves the spin, and his spinny shots aren't nearly as effective on grass and Hewitt hits a lot flatter. I think Rafa will always also have the simple logistical problem that he will always do well at RG and play a very full and have successful clay seasons, so it will be harder for him to do well at Wimbledon (not impossible obviously, but harder)

That said, Rafa has said many times that he wants to do well at Wimbledon so I am sure he will do well there soon.

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Its hard for me to believe with Nadal's playing style that he can win Wimbledon. But Hewitt plays a similar style and he won. So can Nadal possibly win Wimbledon before he retires?
What are you talking about a similar playstyle ??

They are quite different technically , Hewitt hits flat Nadal with topspin , Hewitt hits the serve with slice and Nadal's serve is different. Hewitt is more attacking and plays deeper than Nadal . They are just similar in their great speed and mobility , and their great mental strenght

I remember to read a lot of times that Nadal was very similar to Hewitt when Rafa was beginning on ATP tour in 2003 and 2004.

These persons only noticed about that both players celebrated the points very effusively , both players were bulls on courts , were great fighters, that is they used non-techinical reasons to compare both players .

Talking tennistically both players are technically quite different and for me they aren't similar at all .

I have always considered Santoro together with Nadal, the two players less orthodox on ATP tour , since it's very difficult to find a player who has a similar playstyle .

Personally the player who reminds me more Nadal ( i'm referring to the way of hitting the ball ) is Koubek, he's lefty and plays with a lot of topsin like Nadal.

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Hewitt has a better serve and a much better volley. Rafa needs to improve his serve and net playing. Heavier shots from baseline would also help.
But I think he needs to win a hard court one first.
Heavier shots from the baseline ??

I don't know if i'm misunderstanding you , but do you mean the weight of the ball , right ???

Nadal's hits the heaviest forehand on ATP tour , none has a heavier ball than Nadal.

So , i don't know what you mean with heavier shots ?? Unless you meant he needs to hit a forehand more fast, that is to hit with less topspin and more flat and thus his forehand would be faster and he could get more winners .
If you meant this last argument, i agree with you

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It's also important to remember that grass bounces low and Hewitt likes that, whereas Rafa loves the spin, and his spinny shots aren't nearly as effective on grass and Hewitt hits a lot flatter. I think Rafa will always also have the simple logistical problem that he will always do well at RG and play a very full and have successful clay seasons, so it will be harder for him to do well at Wimbledon (not impossible obviously, but harder)

That said, Rafa has said many times that he wants to do well at Wimbledon so I am sure he will do well there soon.
It would be very difficult for Rafael Nadal, but he does have the knowledge that Bjorn Borg from 1978 to 1980 managed to win Roland Garros and Wimbledon each year and nearly did it for a fourth successive year in 1981. Borg also had the complication that he had to adapt each year from playing baseline players at Roland Garros to serve-volley players at Wimbledon. Most players now play from the baseline at both Roland Garros and Wimbledon. Borg just like Nadal liked standing a long way behind the baseline and hit with extreme top spin on both the forehand and backhand.

However, you are correct about the difficulty. Based on historic records, it seems much more common and I quess easier to do the Wimbledon-US Open double in a year than the Roland Garros-Wimbledon double. The 2 week adaption period between the clay and grass is incredibly difficult. Borg always found practising was the best solution to adapting and played no tournament between Roland Garros and Wimbledon.

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Re: Since Hewitt has Wimbledon can Nadal win too?

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Its hard for me to believe with Nadal's playing style that he can win Wimbledon. But Hewitt plays a similar style and he won. So can Nadal possibly win Wimbledon before he retires?
I don't think they have similar styles at all.

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Its hard for me to believe with Nadal's playing style that he can win Wimbledon. But Hewitt plays a similar style and he won. So can Nadal possibly win Wimbledon before he retires?
Yes. Nadal can win Wimbledon if he adapts. He has the natural advantage of being a left hander. Left handed sliced serves on grass courts, because they swing wide to right handers backhands and keep low, are very effective. Rafael's height and physical builds should enable him to develop a powerful and effective sliced serve which would make his service games difficult to break.

The major problem Rafael will suffer on grass is the ability to break serve. His groundstrokes have too much backswing and he seems to struggle returning fast serves on fast courts. Hewitt has shorter backswings and combined with faster reactions returns fast serves more easily. The difference is most evident if you compare Hewitt and Nadal returning the Roddick serve at the US Open which is the only place where both Hewitt and Nadal have faced the Roddick serve.

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Heavier shots from the baseline ??

I don't know if i'm misunderstanding you , but do you mean the weight of the ball , right ???

Nadal's hits the heaviest forehand on ATP tour , none has a heavier ball than Nadal.

So , i don't know what you mean with heavier shots ?? Unless you meant he needs to hit a forehand more fast, that is to hit with less topspin and more flat and thus his forehand would be faster and he could get more winners .
If you meant this last argument, i agree with you
Hehe, that's what I wanted to say. Sorry for the confusion.
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No, he can't

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Nadal will never win Wimbledon. I in fact struggle to see him ever getting past the fourth round.
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Re: Since Hewitt has Wimbledon can Nadal win too?

I think Nadal can win the big W. However, he needs to work on his grass game and I don't imagine he'll win it in the next few years, maybe about 2008 or 2009.

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