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Will Federer become the greatest player of all time?

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“His greatest opponent will be the record books” was how the retired Pete Sampras, winner of 14 Grand Slam titles once diplomatically dealt with the whole question of Roger Federer’s place amongst the all-time greats. Of course, Sampras knows that with his outstanding Grand Slam record many consider him to be the greatest player of all time, but he’s no Mohammed Ali. He’d never shout egotistically “I am the greatest!” He prefers to leave that to others.

Others such as friend and long-term rival Andre Agassi who when asked back in 1998 who he considered to be the five best players of all time, retorted unequivocally; “Sampras, Sampras, Sampras, Sampras, Sampras.” The veteran American’s opinions have shifted a little since then. After suffering an eighth consecutive defeat at the hands of Federer in the US Open final this year, he elevated the Swiss maestro to position of “best ever” with gushing statements like; “He plays the game in a special way. I haven’t seen it before”; “Pete was great, no question. But there was a place to get to with Pete. You knew what you had to do. If you do it, it could be on your terms. There’s no place like that with Roger. He’s the best I’ve played against.” Having faced-off against Sampras and Federer in their prime, Agassi should know what he’s talking about. But so does Sampras when he talks about the record books. Agassi concurs when he considered Federer’s task of catching Sampras’ Grand Slam record; “I think the accomplishment of winning that many Slams requires a number of things, including a little bit of luck to make sure you are healthy, and that nothing goes wrong.” Assuming that injury does not blight his career however, there is no doubt in most people’s minds that the young Swiss is equal to the task. He’s already won three consecutive Wimbledon’s, two consecutive US Open’s and an Australian Open title. He’s on a roll. If the next two years are anything like the last two, he will be well on the way to the Grand Slam record. There has not been a more dominant world number one since John McEnroe in 1984, when the tempestuous American recorded an 82-3 win-loss record. Federer had to settle for an 81-4 record this year when he fell at the final hurdle to an inspired and fully fit David Nalbandian in the final of the Masters Cup in Shanghai. Ironically, it is Mcenroe’s career which spells a clear warning to anyone who assumes that Federer’s record will continue unabated. If someone had approached McEnroe after he had taken the US Open title in 1984 and said “that’s your lot” no doubt he would have replied with a few expletives thrown in “You cannot be serious!” At the time many distinguished commentators were describing him as “the best they had ever seen”, “the greatest of all time” etc. Yet his Grand Slam total stalled at 7. Four short of his arch rival Bjorn Borg and Australian legend Rod Laver. Most of those same commentators would not now rate him above those superior Grand Slam winners even if they still think he was a better player simply because his record does not support his claim to “best ever”. McEnroe’s underachievement at Grand Slam level must be one of his greatest disappointments. But it was not entirely his fault. The early retirement of his friend and arch rival Borg after 1981 had a profound detrimental effect on his career. He lost focus and motivation in the months following the Swede’s disappearance and did not win a Slam thereafter until Wimbledon 1983. He did not have the same appetite for the game playing Jimmy Connors and Ivan Lendl, neither of whom he liked or respected as he did Borg, and duly relinquished his authority at the top of the game until he recaptured the “magic” in 1984.

There is no sign that Federer could succumb to a similar fate. Whether his main rivals are injured, retired or even playing, his appetite for titles, especially the majors will remain undiminished. Going into 2006, he will be the clear favourite for virtually every tournament he enters. The French Open remains the jewel missing in his crown. He said before 2005 started that he was not making it a priority, but I get the feeling it will be in 2006.

All being said, there is no doubt that Federer possesses probably the most complete game the tennis world has ever seen. Like all the other all-time greats his mind sets him apart at the highest level. He has that all important “X” factor, an intangible prerequisite of a champion. When he is fully fit, there are very few that can live with him on a tennis court. Pete Sampras must be quite concerned about the security of his 14 Grand Slam record, and so he should be. Federer is catching up on it fast. Unlike the American, the young Swiss is a threat at all the majors. He is intent on sweeping all before him, including his ultimate foe – the record books.

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Yeah, great article. Great insight by the author particularly about why McEnroe's Grand Slam total did not reach double figures.
Sampras must be worried that Federer will go on and break his Grand Slam record in the next few years. Also, he knows that if Federer can get at least one French Open, even if he does not quite make 14 Slams, he will be described by most as the "best of the best" because he conquered on all surfaces. 2006 will be a very interesting year if injuries don't get in the way.
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Failure to win the French Open will always count against Pete Sampras being the greatest ever. He would probably agree himself. Similary, Borg's failure at the US Open and Lendl's failure at Wimbledon count against them. For McEnroe that defeat in the French Open final of 1984 will always be the defeat which hurt him most. If he had won there then he probably would have won in Australia, which was on a more friendly surface for him, at some time in his career and achieved the full set of grand slams.

Only the future will tell how Federer rates. With the number of quality players coming through, in particular Nadal and Gasquet, it will be very difficult. He can do it the easy way by winning in Paris or the difficult way by winning 9 more grand slams.
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I still say way too early to speculate
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Re: Will Federer become the greatest player of all time?

In 2002, after Sampras winning USO, there were so many talks that he's the greatest player ever. Nobody was going to break his record. Blah Blah Blah

In 2005, people already saying Federer is the greatest player ever. He will break many records. Blah Blah Blah

It sounds really funny to me. That's it!

Disclaimer: I consider Federer a great player and he has the potential to break many tennis record.
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Sampras must be worried that Federer will go on and break his Grand Slam record in the next few years. Also, he knows that if Federer can get at least one French Open, even if he does not quite make 14 Slams, he will be described by most as the "best of the best" because he conquered on all surfaces. 2006 will be a very interesting year if injuries don't get in the way.
Wow

Do you live inside Sampras brain, or heart?
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Failure to win the French Open will always count against Pete Sampras being the greatest ever. He would probably agree himself. Similary, Borg's failure at the US Open and Lendl's failure at Wimbledon count against them. For McEnroe that defeat in the French Open final of 1984 will always be the defeat which hurt him most. If he had won there then he probably would have won in Australia, which was on a more friendly surface for him, at some time in his career and achieved the full set of grand slams.

Only the future will tell how Federer rates. With the number of quality players coming through, in particular Nadal and Gasquet, it will be very difficult. He can do it the easy way by winning in Paris or the difficult way by winning 9 more grand slams.
Agassi has a career Grand Slam, but nobody would consider him to be the greatest ever, although most would rate him in the top 10 somewhere.
For Fedex to be widely considered to be the best i think he would have to win in Paris and accomplish a double digit Grand Slam total.
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Wow

Do you live inside Sampras brain, or heart?
I'm sure Pete does not have too many sleepless nights worrying about Federer, but he must be mildly irritated by all the accolades Federer is picking up that once belonged to him.
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I think that Roger is on his way to becoming the best player of all-time. If he keeps up his level as he has in the last couple of years, then there is no doubt. Just the look in his eyes tells a lot of what he wants to accomplish in his career. And the fact that Roger's game is not one-dimensional like most of the other greats, should show what kind of a great player he is. I mean Pete wasnt a baseliner, nor was McEnroe, Agassi is a baseliner, but could never play the net. Federer's game is the best that the game has ever seen. He can play from all over the court, and still win. Of course, he will have to win the French, perhaps a calendar grand slam, cause you can never forget another player called Laver, who achieved such things, but then again Laver played in a different era.
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Agassi has a career Grand Slam, but nobody would consider him to be the greatest ever, although most would rate him in the top 10 somewhere.
For Fedex to be widely considered to be the best i think he would have to win in Paris and accomplish a double digit Grand Slam total.
The trouble with Agassi was that his dedication to tennis in the 90's did tend to be on and off, so although he kept winning majors he never was dominant for any significant period. He was the player who had the game to be the dominant player of the 90's with an ability to play at the highest level at all 4 grand slams and on all surfaces.

He reached the finals of all 4 grand slams at least twice and would have won more grand slams if he had played in Australia before 1995 which turned out to be the surface best suited to his game. On clay and rebound ace Agassi was better than Sampras while Sampras was better than Agassi on Grass and cement. How do you determine who is a better player.
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I'm sure Pete does not have too many sleepless nights worrying about Federer, but he must be mildly irritated by all the accolades Federer is picking up that once belonged to him.

Why should he feels irritated? if you say he does not have too many sleepless nights worrying about Federer, you make no sense at all.
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Why should he feels irritated? if you say he does not have too many sleepless nights worrying about Federer, you make no sense at all.

Calm down
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Why should he feels irritated? if you say he does not have too many sleepless nights worrying about Federer, you make no sense at all.
Don't worry angiel! I think Sampras actually have many sleepless night changing diapers and/or feeding Ryan.
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Why should he feels irritated? if you say he does not have too many sleepless nights worrying about Federer, you make no sense at all.
Sampras comes across as a pretty chilled kind of guy, but he cares very deeply about his place in history. After working so hard to break the Grand Slam record, it would be natural for him to be irritated by someone who has not yet accomplished half of what he has to be getting accolades as "the best" already. That said, i'm sure he's not obsessive about it to the point of not sleeping thinking about it.
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