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A critique of the current Top 10 players and their shortcomings.

I think that it's important we remind ourselves, though these players are competing at such a high level, there is always room for improvement. I'd like to address a few issues that each player has and what improvement not only would do for their career in 2006, but beyond that point.

1. Federer -Can we really call anything about the gentleman from Basel a weakness ? No, but they are mild shortcomings, but for the most part to critique such genius play would be like complaining that an old Picasso is losing it's color after some time, it is the nature of humans to be imperfect.
Very well --
"Weaknesses":
(1). Transitioning game from baseline to net (especially on Forehand side) looks rather uncomfortable at times.
(2). 1st serve percentage - Roger's serve actually digressed this year, it seemed with all of the 'tweeking' if you will, that he did of his game, in the process his serve has abandoned him at times.
The Swiss already possesses a 2nd serve far superior to anyone on tour, thus that needs little correcting, however it would come in handy to add a few mph/km to his serve against more successful returners, i.e; Nalbandian.

2. Nadal - Well, his game is rather flawed if you look at it from an offensive point of view, but if you are able to approach it from a defensive standpoint, the boy has nearly a perfect game that is tailormade for his style of play.
A great forehand and steady backhand, possessing wicked angles.
Weaknesses:
(1). 1st and 2nd serve, particulary on faster surfaces, the spaniard's serve has been exposed at times during this season, he will most certainly have to conjure up something aside from that kick serve he so often uses, I do say that he has a rather keen sense for ball placement and thus, he has been only mildly exposed by the likes of Berdych whom take pleasure in returning serves that would be swatted by Juniors at the top of their game.
(2). If the Spaniard ever hopes to compete at Wimbledon, he will most certainly have to improve his nearly non-existent net game and even then, this would require a more offensive approach. I find it quite interesting to see if he can transition, I have my doubts.


3. Roddick - The product of an incomplete game, his game is missing a major assett: A respectable backhand., I mean, surely he cannot continue to run around it and have any sort of longevity, especially with his build. He has lost weight and seems to have achieved improved fitness & stamina.

Weaknesses:
1). Backhand - His slice is mediocre at best and seems to be more of a fluke of nature than actual shot, my word, if you are to consider that any type of strategy against world class players in 2006 he will surely disappear from the Top 10.
2). Net play - He has at times shown the ability to come to net and be successful (i.e; against a disinterested Hewitt in Cincy), however, most of the time I gather that he is merely bluffing and has little idea of what to do at net, he simply lacks the innate abilities of reflex and quick thinking to prevail at net, he will surely go away like a whisper in the night if he continues to employ such a tactic.


4. Hewitt - The Australian has improved his 1st & 2nd serve, though he could double-fault a little less (held the record in 2004 for most doubles), aside from that his game is nearly flawless and he's proven this, by only being beaten by the best, (AO) - Safin, Wimbledon - Federer, USO - Federer, he is simply outclassed by these opponents due to their superior talents, but he has few holes to attack in his game other than the fact that the nature of his game is Defensive, thus he does not control his own destiny in matches against World Class players like Safin or Fedex, but who does ?

5. Davydenko -
A steady journeyman, much of his game looks quite consistent, I would say that if he wishes to remain on top that he should add a few pounds to his frail physique, he does come off as a bit slight and thus could fall victim to power.
6. Nalbandian -
His game has little holes or weaknesses, the main problem seems to be the fact that he lacks mental strength, aside from that, he is a genius at contra-tennis and there is not much to criticize aside from his rather AWFUL serving display at times; however, he compensates for this shortcoming with his superior returning game.
7. Agassi - Who am I to critique a legend ?
8. Coria - Well, where do we start ?
Weaknesses:
(1). Lacks mental strength, since FO 2004.
(2). Serve has really abandoned him.
9. Ljubicic - Ivan has a rather strong game and he has matched up against the world #1 toe to toe, even at his best (earlier in the year) at both Rotterdam and Dubai. The only obvious hole in his game is a forehand that at times tends to be rather erratic, but aside from that he possesses an intimidating all-court game.
10. Gaudio - Should I just replace his name with Gasquet now or later ? I don't think this will stand for much longer. So, my work is done.

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Re: A critique of the current Top 10 players and their shortcomings.

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nice work, I can see you don't make a living off your analytical skills.
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how is that at all relevant to the drivel you have posted above?
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how is that at all relevant to the drivel you have posted above?
It's equal and fair in relevance when a comparison is drawn between your intentions for acknowledging this thread (clearly because you have a hard-on for me, for some reason you are obsessed with the color red and that's rather coincidential, I do say, considering you are quite the menstrual case).

Aside from that, each fact and opinion is duly noted, said in good nature and completely for the sake of educational discussion, unlike you, I possess the intent and desire to learn or discuss, remember: Great minds discuss world events, small minds discuss people.

Your tennis knowledge is at best limited and you merely use General Messages as a venue to gather vCash, so that you may continue to masquerade around Non-Tennis harassing the common poster and basking in your insignificance. Bravo, Paisano.
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Re: A critique of the current Top 10 players and their shortcomings.

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I think that it's important we remind ourselves, though these players are competing at such a high level, there is always room for improvement. I'd like to address a few issues that each player has and what improvement not only would do for their career in 2006, but beyond that point.

1. Federer -Can we really call anything about the gentleman from Basel a weakness ? No, but they are mild shortcomings, but for the most part to critique such genius play would be like complaining that an old Picasso is losing it's color after some time, it is the nature of humans to be imperfect.
Very well --
"Weaknesses":
(1). Transitioning game from baseline to net (especially on Forehand side) looks rather uncomfortable at times.
(2). 1st serve percentage - Roger's serve actually digressed this year, it seemed with all of the 'tweeking' if you will, that he did of his game, in the process his serve has abandoned him at times.
The Swiss already possesses a 2nd serve far superior to anyone on tour, thus that needs little correcting, however it would come in handy to add a few mph/km to his serve against more successful returners, i.e; Nalbandian.

Physical fitness is still not as good as some players; still has 8-9 losing record in 5 set matches

Still makes a lot of simple volley errors. Actually seems to find difficult volleys easier.

Believe Karlovic has better second serve.

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2. Nadal - Well, his game is rather flawed if you look at it from an offensive point of view, but if you are able to approach it from a defensive standpoint, the boy has nearly a perfect game that is tailormade for his style of play.
A great forehand and steady backhand, possessing wicked angles.
Weaknesses:
(1). 1st and 2nd serve, particulary on faster surfaces, the spaniard's serve has been exposed at times during this season, he will most certainly have to conjure up something aside from that kick serve he so often uses, I do say that he has a rather keen sense for ball placement and thus, he has been only mildly exposed by the likes of Berdych whom take pleasure in returning serves that would be swatted by Juniors at the top of their game.
(2). If the Spaniard ever hopes to compete at Wimbledon, he will most certainly have to improve his nearly non-existent net game and even then, this would require a more offensive approach. I find it quite interesting to see if he can transition, I have my doubts.
Stands far too deep in the court exposing himself to acute angles.

Hits far too many short groundstrokes; they have have too much top spin and lack penetration. Watch US Open match against James Blake.

His volleying from playing doubles is good, but how can he utilize it when he stands so far back.

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3. Roddick - The product of an incomplete game, his game is missing a major assett: A respectable backhand., I mean, surely he cannot continue to run around it and have any sort of longevity, especially with his build. He has lost weight and seems to have achieved improved fitness & stamina.

Weaknesses:
1). Backhand - His slice is mediocre at best and seems to be more of a fluke of nature than actual shot, my word, if you are to consider that any type of strategy against world class players in 2006 he will surely disappear from the Top 10.
2). Net play - He has at times shown the ability to come to net and be successful (i.e; against a disinterested Hewitt in Cincy), however, most of the time I gather that he is merely bluffing and has little idea of what to do at net, he simply lacks the innate abilities of reflex and quick thinking to prevail at net, he will surely go away like a whisper in the night if he continues to employ such a tactic.
Although ranked 3 I consider him in many ways number 2; I think he will probably do better than Nadal in AO, Wimbledon and US Open while Nadal will certainly do better in the Fench Open.

He lacks the hand eye co-ordination and balls skills of other top players, but does have more power and mostly mentally tougher - win over Ferrer in Paris. He makes the most of what he has.

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4. Hewitt - The Australian has improved his 1st & 2nd serve, though he could double-fault a little less (held the record in 2004 for most doubles), aside from that his game is nearly flawless and he's proven this, by only being beaten by the best, (AO) - Safin, Wimbledon - Federer, USO - Federer, he is simply outclassed by these opponents due to their superior talents, but he has few holes to attack in his game other than the fact that the nature of his game is Defensive, thus he does not control his own destiny in matches against World Class players like Safin or Fedex, but who does ?
I feel he lacks power rather than talent. Safin and Federer physically generate more power; they have better physical builds for tennis.

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5. Davydenko -
A steady journeyman, much of his game looks quite consistent, I would say that if he wishes to remain on top that he should add a few pounds to his frail physique, he does come off as a bit slight and thus could fall victim to power.
6. Nalbandian -
His game has little holes or weaknesses, the main problem seems to be the fact that he lacks mental strength, aside from that, he is a genius at contra-tennis and there is not much to criticize aside from his rather AWFUL serving display at times; however, he compensates for this shortcoming with his superior returning game.
Nalbandian should show more commitment and desire to fulfill his potential. It is always a shame when somebody wastes the talents they have been given. If he showed the desire and dedication of Federer and Nadal he would be in the top 3. His serve is improving.

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7. Agassi - Who am I to critique a legend ?
8. Coria - Well, where do we start ?
Weaknesses:
(1). Lacks mental strength, since FO 2004.
(2). Serve has really abandoned him.
Coria lacks the power to challenge the best players. His physique is probably too small to be a world beater. Even if Federer and Coria had the same ability the size of Federer would ensure that he always won.

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9. Ljubicic - Ivan has a rather strong game and he has matched up against the world #1 toe to toe, even at his best (earlier in the year) at both Rotterdam and Dubai. The only obvious hole in his game is a forehand that at times tends to be rather erratic, but aside from that he possesses an intimidating all-court game.
10. Gaudio - Should I just replace his name with Gasquet now or later ? I don't think this will stand for much longer. So, my work is done.

Ivan Ljubicic needs to work on his movement; compared to Federer and Safin his speed and balance are poor. If he moves better he will hit his ground strokes better.

Gaudio. Everyone predicts each year that he will drop out of the top 10, but he stays there. He may not be a world beater or top 5 player, but he is steady and always does well in the optional 5 tournaments.

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It's equal and fair in relevance when a comparison is drawn between your intentions for acknowledging this thread (clearly because you have a hard-on for me, for some reason you are obsessed with the color red and that's rather coincidential, I do say, considering you are quite the menstrual case).
Okay, enlighten me, oh prima donna:
how can a person have a "hard-on" and be a menstrual case at the same time?
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It's equal and fair in relevance when a comparison is drawn between your intentions for acknowledging this thread (clearly because you have a hard-on for me, for some reason you are obsessed with the color red and that's rather coincidential, I do say, considering you are quite the menstrual case).
ummm... a comparison between my intentions for acknowledging your stupidity and what else???

and yes I have a hard on for you and menstruate at the same time - brilliant!!!


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Aside from that, each fact and opinion is duly noted, said in good nature and completely for the sake of educational discussion, unlike you, I possess the intent and desire to learn or discuss, remember: Great minds discuss world events, small minds discuss people.
educational discussion isn't really something anybody would associate with you, but hey, what the hell, I would LOVE to discuss world events with Great minds (such as yourself I am assuming? )


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Your tennis knowledge is at best limited and you merely use General Messages as a venue to gather vCash, so that you may continue to masquerade around Non-Tennis harassing the common poster and basking in your insignificance. Bravo, Paisano.


I apologise for disturbing the thinktank that is GM, run by the likes of yourself, Tennis Fool, tangy, universal idiot, and so on...

Of course everyone is free to have their own opinions, I was just telling you that yours is wrong.

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ummm... a comparison between my intentions for acknowledging your stupidity and what else???

and yes I have a hard on for you and menstruate at the same time - brilliant!!!




educational discussion isn't really something anybody would associate with you, but hey, what the hell, I would LOVE to discuss world events with Great minds (such as yourself I am assuming? )






I apologise for disturbing the thinktank that is GM, run by the likes of yourself, Tennis Fool, tangy, universal idiot, and so on...

Of course everyone is free to have their own opinions, I was just telling you that yours is wrong.

E chi se ne frega? Coglione
To be frank, I don't really care about your opinion. You're on my list of posters that can't put personal vendettas aside and stop bitching for longer than approximately 10 seconds to think properly. There are lots of those when it comes to me, don't worry. I tend to attract them for some reason. This is a public board, which means that you are given the opportunity to publically display your idiocy. Anyway, as for the hard on remark, it would have been more clever if you'd come up with it yourself, but being that one is to be taken literally and not the other, you're shit out of luck anyway.
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Physical fitness is still not as good as some players; still has 8-9 losing record in 5 set matches

Still makes a lot of simple volley errors. Actually seems to find difficult volleys easier.

Believe Karlovic has better second serve..
It is factual that Karlovic possesses a superior serve in general, but the Swiss has one better than most, aside from anyone else that may pop up late in big tournaments it's I'd say the best 2nd serve in the business.



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Stands far too deep in the court exposing himself to acute angles.

Hits far too many short groundstrokes; they have have too much top spin and lack penetration. Watch US Open match against James Blake.

His volleying from playing doubles is good, but how can he utilize it when he stands so far back.
I've not seen him playing doubles, so can offer no commentary regarding so.
I agree, his game is too much driven around clay-play, which is less offensive and far slower, he may never conquer the cement at Flushing Meadow.
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7. Agassi - Who am I to critique a legend ?
Er, it could be argued that who are you to criticise any of these players

I await the day when you post something which is intelligent, I won't hold my breath though
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It is factual that Karlovic possesses a superior serve in general, but the Swiss has one better than most, aside from anyone else that may pop up late in big tournaments it's I'd say the best 2nd serve in the business.


I was answering your comment "The Swiss already possesses a 2nd serve far superior to anyone on tour". Karlovic is on the tour in top 100.
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I was answering your comment "The Swiss already possesses a 2nd serve far superior to anyone on tour". Karlovic is on the tour in top 100.
Noted and accurate assessment, to be quite honest, I completely forgot about Karlovic. I can't dismiss him as a player that can't and won't make the late stages at a Slam (possibly Wimbledon), so you've got me fair and square.
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Er, it could be argued that who are you to criticise any of these players

I await the day when you post something which is intelligent, I won't hold my breath though
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2. Nadal -
Weaknesses:
(1). 1st and 2nd serve, particulary on faster surfaces, the spaniard's serve has been exposed at times during this season, he will most certainly have to conjure up something aside from that kick serve he so often uses, I do say that he has a rather keen sense for ball placement and thus, he has been only mildly exposed by the likes of Berdych whom take pleasure in returning serves that would be swatted by Juniors at the top of their game.
(2). If the Spaniard ever hopes to compete at Wimbledon, he will most certainly have to improve his nearly non-existent net game and even then, this would require a more offensive approach. I find it quite interesting to see if he can transition, I have my doubts.
(1). He has the highest first serve % on the tour this year. On his 2nd serve, he is 2nd only to Federer in terms of % of points won. He is 11th in the service holds % list, an impressive stat when you consider the majority of his matches are on clay and therefore are likely to involve more breaks. His serve could be improved, but its certainly not as weak as you portray it.
(2). Try watching some of his Davis Cup matches from 2004, his volleying is solid enough. I didn't see Hewitt coming to the net an awful lot when he won Wimbledon, and Federer came to the net only a handful of times in the last few years. It's not necessary for Nadal to come to the net, he just needs more matches on grass, and unfortunately the grass court season isn't long enough for him to get enough matches in to feel comfortable on it.
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