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Roger's chase for Roland Garros.

What does Roger need to do to stake the prize that of winning Roland Garros ? For one, I think that he needs to play more clay court events, but he should avoid those with Nadal in them, for strategic purposes. A magician never reveals his secrets, it would be foolish of him to give Nadal a look at his artillery. He should enter a few tournaments with top clay court players in them; Coria, JCF, Nalbandian, Gaudio and Kuerten as well, assuming that he will be healthy for the 2006 season.

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I would like to see Roger possibly play 1 small clay court event (of course the other 2 masters events as well), under heavy conditions and in a hostile environment to prepare him for Roland Garros. South America would be a good choice, especially considering that Nadal won't be defending any of his titles there. Roger was very close this year, though it will require a bit of fortune (which up until now it seemed he had plenty of) making it to the Finals should not be a highly difficult task, though not an extremely easy one.

If Roger were able to maintain his Wimbledon title and win Roland Garros, he would absolved of all and any that has occured in the past, as well as discussions that Sampras is the better player (yeah, the same pete that gave up on even showing up to the french open in the latter part of his career).

This was a relatively successful year, Roger has nothing to hang his head about. He's accomplished plenty, Wimbledon and the U.S Open + 9 other titles. Now, let's go for another milestone, something only Laver and Agassi have accomplished, attain the Career Slam by prevailing in Paris, preparation is everything!
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Re: Roger's chase for Roland Garros.

I don't see Roger ever coming to South America, unfortunately. I don't know what people and/or him (did he really mention that?) mean when they and/or him say he will play more clay tournaments next year? The biggest ATP tournaments outside the AMS trio are Valencia, Barcelona and St. Poelten. I don't see him playing those either.

He should just look to play better in these AMS, possibly winning one that isn't Hamburg would be great for him. He was a finalist once in Rome, and twice a QF in Monte-Carlo, I hope he's able to perform better in these two, especially in Monaco as it seems to be the clay most close to the one used in Roland Garros.

To win in Paris, he'll need to be healthy, fit, confident and possibly with a win or tight-loss against Nadal ON clay under his belt already. He will need a bit of luck with the draw too.


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He needs to focus and play a very good match each round of the FO, he is one of the best clay court players in the game and can win it, he just has to focus, he has the talent and the desire and I think he will win it sometime in his career and next year is a perfect candidate, i'm not sure if he will do it, he will probablly have to get past Nadal but Federer can do it, it will be tough for him though, because Nadal is the best on clay!!!
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I doubt Federer will waste his time in South America when he can be resting and making a ton of money for apperances in other tournaments at similar times. Fed is already pretty good on clay, he just needs to keep working on his game in general (just stay more consistent especially on the backhand) and he should be fine.

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What does Roger need to do to stake the prize that of winning Roland Garros ? For one, I think that he needs to play more clay court events, but he should avoid those with Nadal in them, for strategic purposes. A magician never reveals his secrets, it would be foolish of him to give Nadal a look at his artillery.
I completely disagree with you on this. He has to play against Nadal as many times as possible before RG. Two reasons for that:

1) He is very nervous against Nadal (his own reasoning is the lefty style and the heavy topspin) for some reason and the more he plays, the better his feel for Nadal's game. This is how he has achived a positive h2h against players who made his bitch.

2) What better preparation for RG than to play against the best clay courter around?

In my opinion, he should play Monte Carlo and Rome if he wants to give himself any chance of winning RG. He should actually skip Hamburg since the clay there is very different than the clay in RG.

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I don't see Roger ever coming to South America, unfortunately. I don't know what people and/or him (did he really mention that?) mean when they and/or him say he will play more clay tournaments next year?
No, Roger has never mentioned playing in South America. Not on the record atleast. I think it'd be good though, because of the conditions and it would test his mind, body and there is no point in winning Hamburg 50 + times then having it not be of any use at Roland Garros. Apparently, Hamburg's conditions aren't similar at all to those at Roland Garros. What am I saying ? It's an indoor clay tournament, come on.

I don't want to see Roger face Nadal on clay unless it's at Roland Garros, though I agree that a tight match against him would be a good thing, preferably at the Australian Open.

These clay court specialists are all about repetition, they play on this stuff year around and Roger is trying to beat them with 2 events under his belt.
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he should play Monte Carlo and Rome
I agree about Rome, but Nadal will be there. I just don't think it'd be good for Roger, tactically atleast, to face Nadal. Let's say that he wins, okay and now you have to do it again in Paris. They will have prepared a strategy, though there is no real strategy against Roger, the same goes for Nadal on clay.

Rome is a faster clay court surface, so, for sure it would be good preparation. Actually, I don't think the courts at Roland Garros are that slow, they play quite fast in my opinion (look how the ball was skidding against Amalgro when Roger faced him) as opposed to the conditions against Nadal.

Clay is tough to figure out, Roger is already a clay-court specialist, I'm serious. He is. How many can beat Roger even on his weakest surface ? It's just preparation lacking here.
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Re: Roger's chase for Roland Garros.

as long as nadal is healthy, i dont see federer winning RG....
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Re: Roger's chase for Roland Garros.

I don't think he needs to play more tournaments on clay to win Roland Garros than the 3 clay masters series . In fact he played very well this year in the French Open, although the key day against Nadal played a crappy match , i would say Nadal didn't win that match but Federer lost it .

If he had played just a normal match against Nadal, Roger had won because Nadal wasn't playing well in Roland Garros at all because of the pressure , so beating Nadal Roger had won Puerta and now we would be talking about him as this year Roland Garros winner . Only a bad day stopped him to win the French Grand slam.

Obviously if Roger played more tournaments on clay he would improve on it , but i think there are only few players superior to Federer on clay right now, so i don't see a great necessity for him to play more on clay since he's already one of the best players on clay. Although it would be funny to watch him to play in South America, the same for Roddick and Hewitt , also it would be funny to see Nadal playing north-american hardcourt tours

Federer will win Roland Garros one day, it's just a matter of time.
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I agree about Rome, but Nadal will be there. I just don't think it'd be good for Roger, tactically atleast, to face Nadal. Let's say that he wins, okay and now you have to do it again in Paris. They will have prepared a strategy, though there is no real strategy against Roger, the same goes for Nadal on clay.

Rome is a faster clay court surface, so, for sure it would be good preparation. Actually, I don't think the courts at Roland Garros are that slow, they play quite fast in my opinion (look how the ball was skidding against Amalgro when Roger faced him) as opposed to the conditions against Nadal.

Clay is tough to figure out, Roger is already a clay-court specialist, I'm serious. He is. How many can beat Roger even on his weakest surface ? It's just preparation lacking here.
What is Nadal going to figure out about Fed's game that he doesn't already know. Facing Nadal is probably more beneficial for Fed as mentioned above becuase it gets him used to the wicked spin.

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Re: Roger's chase for Roland Garros.

Safin will win RG next year...








































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What is Nadal going to figure out about Fed's game that he doesn't already know. Facing Nadal is probably more beneficial for Fed as mentioned above becuase it gets him used to the wicked spin.
That's one way of looking at it, I'd completely ignored those facts. Roger does offer far more variety in his games and can do a change up, Nadal has not many options once he is figured out because he is primarily defensive. Fair enough, so if Roger is to play in a tournament (on clay) that Nadal does then which would most benefit him ? Let's see, Nadal didn't play Hamburg, but he did play Monaco. What are the conditions in Monaco like ?
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*imagining Federer playing at Costa do Sauípe*

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I imagine Fed playing in Viña del Mar against Gonzalez and the crowd telling Federer sweet things
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