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Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

Nalbandian, Coria, Gaudio and Puerta (along with many others) are all talented, successful players, with great ground games and on-court thinking ability.

When it comes to the serve, however, none of them manage to use it to their advantage, as it is (for the most part) a weak, unreliable shot, hence all those double faults on break points etc.

I understand tennis in Argentina has mainly been played on clay, where the serve is of less significance, but isn't it a crying shame that a player like Nalbandian, for instance, whose game is otherwise complete and should have been a multiple slam winner by now, is let down by a single shot his coaches must have neglected?

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Re: Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

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Nalbandian, Coria, Gaudio and Puerta (along with many others) are all talented, successful players, with great ground games and on-court thinking ability.

When it comes to the serve, however, none of them manages to use it to his advantage, as it is (for the most part) a weak, unreliable shot, hence all those double faults on break points etc.

I understand tennis in Argentina has mainly been played on clay, where the serve is of less significance, but isn't it a crying shame that a player like Nalbandian, for instance, whose game is otherwise complete and should have been a multiple slam winner by now, is let down by a single shot his coaches must have neglected?
When you start taking lessons, the last thing they teach you is to serve. From my own experience, I only practiced it for five minutes, after every class. They start teaching you the forehand, backhand, volley, etc...The serve is not important for the teachers. However, now they're starting to realise how wrong they are, and I've been told that's beginning to change.
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Re: Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

Thank goodness for that, Jazz. I don't know why they never considered that in the first place.

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Re: Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

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Thank goodness for that, Jazz. I don't know why they never considered that in the first place.
It's considered like a shot just to start a point, and not a shot that can help you build a point. That's a huge difference!
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Re: Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

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It's considered like a shot just to start a point, and not a shot that can help you build a point. That's a huge difference!
OK.....although I personally don't agree with that...but OK.

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Re: Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

Puerta´s serve is not that bad....
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Puerta´s serve is not that bad....
In fact, it was a major weapon in the doubles match against Australia in DC. Puerta didn't lose serve all day.

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Re: Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

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Nalbandian, Coria, Gaudio and Puerta (along with many others) are all talented, successful players, with great ground games and on-court thinking ability.
Puerta has a good serve... Calleri, Chela and Acasuso also have pretty good serves. Zabaleta's isn't too bad either.

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When it comes to the serve, however, none of them manage to use it to their advantage, as it is (for the most part) a weak, unreliable shot, hence all those double faults on break points etc.
Gaudio, Nalbandian and Coria (specially after the US Open) have had that kind of problems... and they are our best players.

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isn't it a crying shame that a player like Nalbandian, for instance, whose game is otherwise complete and should have been a multiple slam winner by now, is let down by a single shot his coaches must have neglected?
It is, but I don't think his serve is his main weakness...
I think he could have won a couple of slams with a stronger mind.

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Re: Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

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It is, but I don't think his serve is his main weakness...
I think he could have won a couple of slams with a stronger mind.
Tough to keep your mind clear when you have to work hard for every point.
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Tough to keep your mind clear when you have to work hard for every point.
good point, I never related his mental problems with his weak serve.

Although I think that having a bad serve would affect his consistency and that does not explain his lack of motivation in small tournaments and his bad plays in decisive parts of important games.
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In the days when Vilas played, the serve was generally not considered something that could earn points (and Vilas was not remembered for his serve), but his ground game was very good and that probably set the trend for focus more on the ground game.
This might be pure BS
I am speculating as to one possible reason why there has been a history of focus on the rest of the game (like Jazz has said)
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When you start taking lessons, the last thing they teach you is to serve. From my own experience, I only practiced it for five minutes, after every class. They start teaching you the forehand, backhand, volley, etc...The serve is not important for the teachers. However, now they're starting to realise how wrong they are, and I've been told that's beginning to change.
That's true. It's not considered something important for most professors.

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Re: Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

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In the days when Vilas played, the serve was generally not considered something that could earn points (and Vilas was not remembered for his serve), but his ground game was very good and that probably set the trend for focus more on the ground game.
Maybe...

Jose Luis Clerc, which was the best Argentine player after Vilas had a good serve. So I don't know...

I think the answer is in Rogiman and jazz_girl's quotes:

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tennis in Argentina has mainly been played on clay, where the serve is of less significance
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They start teaching you the forehand, backhand, volley, etc...The serve is not important for the teachers.
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'coz the pills would fell off their pockets

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Re: Why can't Argies hit their serves properly?

Physical height. A number of the top Argentinians are shorter than Roddick, Safin and Federer. It is easier for taller people to have bigger serves.
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