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Tennis Tidbits, Terminology & Vocabulary :)

I've been wanting to make this thread for a long time and didn't know if it was done before.

Since this is a tennis forum and GM has been hijacked by who is dating who and more unrelated issues, I thought this thread might be interesting.

English is not my first language so there are some tennis-related terms I don't know. Maybe this thread will help me and others like me.

I will start with two words for knowledgeable people to dwell on:

Grinder & Choker .

What do they mean?

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Re: Tennis Tids & Bits, Terminology & Vocabulary :)

Grinder (See Robby Ginepri), very consistent, can't hurt you with any weapons court and basically plays the type of tennis that I bitch about so frequently. Most clay courters are grinders, with the exception of a few.

Basically, blue collar tennis. Davydenko is another good example.
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Choker is when someone looks to be leading the match by a fairly large margin, and suddenly goes through an extended slump and loses key games. A choker isn't when a player wins the first set, loses the next two with close sets ex. 6-4, 5-7, 5-7. Thats not choking in my terms neways
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Grinder (See Robby Ginepri), very consistent, can't hurt you with any weapons court and basically plays the type of tennis that I bitch about so frequently. Most clay courters are grinders, with the exception of a few.

Basically, blue collar tennis. Davydenko is another good example.
That's an interesting definition and actually what I thought it was. But some people refer to Hewitt as a grinder and that confuse me.

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Re: Tennis Tids & Bits, Terminology & Vocabulary :)

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Choker is when someone looks to be leading the match by a fairly large margin, and suddenly goes through an extended slump and loses key games. A choker isn't when a player wins the first set, loses the next two with close sets ex. 6-4, 5-7, 5-7. Thats not choking in my terms neways
i'd agree with this, except i'd add that choking doesn't necessarily entail having a complete meltdown for the rest of the match like some people act like it does, it can be a high quality match overall and still involve choking on some level. it's how you lose the lead that makes it a choke. ie. being up 2 sets and a break and then double faulting like a maniac and not being able to hold your serve to save your life a couple of times to lose the set or something like that.

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i'd agree with this, except i'd add that choking doesn't necessarily entail having a complete meltdown for the rest of the match like some people act like it does, it can be a high quality match overall and still involve choking on some level. it's how you lose the lead that makes it a choke. ie. being up 2 sets and a break and then double faulting like a maniac and not being able to hold your serve to save your life a couple of times to lose the set or something like that.
Agreed. I've just noticed a lot of posters tend to believe that just because someone had a break and then lost it, means they choked. Even if the break for the opposing player came from a 40-AD win.
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That's an interesting definition and actually what I thought it was. But some people refer to Hewitt as a grinder and that confuse me.
Well, for his good baseline game and tenacity and defensive skills you can call Hewitt a grinder too. Although usually grinders are clay court specialists aka 'dirtballers'.

It's just like with the choker thing, depends on how people interpret these terms.
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Well, for his good baseline game and tenacity and defensive skills you can call Hewitt a grinder too. Although usually grinders are clay court specialists aka 'dirtballers'.

It's just like with the choker thing, depends on how people interpret these terms.
Hewitt is a classic defensive player, that's what makes it difficult to separate him from those other players. He hits quite a flat ball.
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Grinder = Canas
It is used more widely, but it is very often best used in clay court tennis where you literally keep getting balls back one after the one, less agressive, more return/defensive
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Choker = mental disability to win

Personally, if a person is 5-4 or 6-5 or 11-10 in TB serving for the match and double faults, it is not a choke to me.

Choking to me is being cruising, like 5-1 up, get broken once, get broken twice, then get disbelief of winning, and cannot serve.

Happens to great players, happens to not great players. Happens to many human beings I think!
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Grinder = Canas
It is used more widely, but it is very often best used in clay court tennis where you literally keep getting balls back one after the one, less agressive, more return/defensive
OK. Now I understand.

Along with Maria's and PD's explanations, this term is clear for me now.

Here in Egypt, we have a term for it meaning the picker, i.e. one that picks every ball and sends a back no matter what as long as he keeps it in play.

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Re: Tennis Tidbits, Terminology & Vocabulary :)

I agree with all what is posted here about a choker. However, some people use the term so generously that I thought I was missing something.

Roger:
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Re: Tennis Tidbits, Terminology & Vocabulary :)

Another question nice people:

Spin, top spin and slice ??? !!!

Here they differentiate between the three and I don't understand. For me spin is either top spin or a reverse i.e. a slice. Is there really a third kind, is there a spin that is not a top spin or a slice?

PS: I don't play at all but would like to know.

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Roddick ~ Baggy ~ Blake ~ Chucho ~ Coria ~ Dima ~ Gask ~ Gaston ~ Guga ~ Haas ~ Juanqui ~ Marat ~ Delpy ~ Tsonga ~ Murray ~ Moya:
Most ATP players:

~ Passenger on the Federer Express #111 ~ Resident of Denaon's Den of Misfits ~
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Another question nice people:

Spin, top spin and slice ??? !!!

Here they differentiate between the three and I don't understand. For me spin is either top spin or a reverse i.e. a slice. Is there really a third kind, is there a spin that is not a top spin or a slice?

PS: I don't play at all but would like to know.
There is sidespin- a lot of the times you will see players curve the ball like a banana usually while hitting a forehand down the line for example. It looks as if the ball might go out but then curves back in. This kind of shot would have top-spin and side-spin on it. An example of a player who uses this shot is Rafael Nadal with many of his forehand down the line passing shots on the run.

In addition, sometimes when you see players like Federer hit a drop shot that spins its way back into the net and sidewards, it has a lot of backspin and side spin on it.

Another instance when side-spin is used is on serves- the right hander serving out wide to the deuce court or the left hander serving out wide to the ad-court will utilise side-spin cutting across the right (or left if you're a lefty) side of the ball causing it to swerve away from the returner opening up the court for the server on the next shot.

Top-spin is hitting over the ball causing it to spin foreward and up when it makes contact with the court- the conventional ground strokes are hit with top-spin.

Slice is often used on the backhand and is done by coming underneath the ball causing it to skid back on contact with the court. It is usually executed on the backhand side by both one handed and 2 handed backhands, sometimes as a rallying shot but mostly as a defensive shot. There are times when a player stretched out wide to the forehand will hit what is known as a "squash shot" using the wrist on the stretch to come from the side and under the ball generating a biting penetrating slice. Example of a player who uses this shot to great effect is Coria.
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Re: Tennis Tidbits, Terminology & Vocabulary :)

RonE, I always enjoy reading your posts. You always seem well equiped with tennis knowledge. How old are you, if you dont mind me asking?
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