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Is Rome the slowest clay court or Monte Carlo?

Based on facts I'm assuming Madrid's is the fastest due to Rafa's least success there? But overall among Monte Carlo, Madrid, Rome, and the FO how do they rank from fastest to slowest?
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Based on facts I'm assuming Madrid's is the fastest due to Rafa's least success there? But overall among Monte Carlo, Madrid, Rome, and the FO how do they rank from fastest to slowest?
Monte Carlo is the slowest in the opinion of most.

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Re: Is Rome the slowest clay court or Monte Carlo?

Generally courts that are close to the sea are slower due to the higher moisture. So, Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Umag... are ussualy very slow. (depends on amount of rain also)

One exception is center court of Roland Garros which is a lot slower than outside courts and one of the slower courts at all. (I could never guess why, is it intentional or just how it end up?)
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Generally courts that are close to the sea are slower due to the higher moisture. So, Monte Carlo, Barcelona, Umag... are ussualy very slow. (depends on amount of rain also)

One exception is center court of Roland Garros which is a lot slower than outside courts and one of the slower courts at all. (I could never guess why, is it intentional or just how it end up?)
I think it was intentional. The French Open itself was intentionally designed to blunt the power of Pancho Gonzales.
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Monte Carlo is the slowest IMO and Madrid is the fastest because it is being played in altitude

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Monte Carlo. Before Madrid was moved to clay Rome was seen as quite quick - compare the winners of the two and you'll see what I mean.

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Re: Is Rome the slowest clay court or Monte Carlo?

Monte Carlo, easily. I believe Rome plays a bit closer to a hard court in terms of the bounce. Historically, some less than stellar players on clay have managed to do relatively well there.

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Must be Monte Carlo.
Btw are the balls in Rome faster? Cause compare the Madrid 2011 final with the Rome 2011 final, the groundstrokes look flatter and faster in Rome.

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For a slow court Wawrinka had many winners there for some reason last year.



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Rome has always been way faster, just look at the past winners. Agassi won it, Haas made a final and Roddick made a SF there.

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Rome? It's pretty fast for a clay court. That's why you see players like Seppi handle well there.

Bastad and Monte Carlo must be the slower ones.

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Re: Is Rome the slowest clay court or Monte Carlo?

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I think it was intentional. The French Open itself was intentionally designed to blunt the power of Pancho Gonzales.
What are you talking about? Roland Garros stadium was first used in 1928, same year Pancho was born. Also Pancho became a pro very early and so didn't play there more than twice.

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Must be Monte Carlo.
Btw are the balls in Rome faster?
They use the same (Dunlop) balls at all 3 masters, as well as Barcelona and most of the 250s. The masters have co-ordinated like that for a long while, even switching at the same time. The others 5 years ago used to have quite a selection.


Anyway, as others have said, MC is normally slower because of the location. Also because it's a little cooler, being a full month earlier (at least 2011+, used to just be 2 weeks diff).

Doesn't always apply though, Rome has had some really rainy weeks.

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Monte Carlo. Before Madrid was moved to clay Rome was seen as quite quick - compare the winners of the two and you'll see what I mean.
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