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Berdych at a stand still???

I was watching the match last night, and i was thinking Berdych needs alot of work on his game if he is to break the top 20 at least, from what i saw he is a bit of a head case, but his all court game is poor, he needs alot of work.
Obviously he has a devastating powerful game from the back of the court, but take him from his bread and butter ( the back of the court ) i thought he looked like a novice.

He has so much potential but i honestly believe he will waste this and will hover between 20-50 for the next few years, he needs to work on his strengths, he needs to shorten points, improve his net game, and he needs a bit more margin for error on his shots.

I am a big Murray fan but all things being equal Berdych has a better game, but it looks like he needs a new coach for me, it should of been a big year for him, but it has not happened. If he doesn't make big changes i feel his talent will go to waste.

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His game, when it is on, is good enough for top 20 maybe even top 10, but I don't buy this top 5 rubbish. He has a huge serve, huge groundies, and should really incorporate a volley into his game. He could succeed on pretty much all surfaces.

As to wasted years...whenever a player has a breakthrough year, they often follow it up with a pretty poor year as they either get overconfident or the other players suss him out. He has only dropped about 20 places so I wouldn't call it a bad achievement really.

He probably needs a "mental" coach - someone that tell him how to control his emotions etc.
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He will be one of the best players in the world soon enough. Just need to mature and develope his game a bit more.
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Anyone that beat Roger Federer the way that Berdych did is going to have one hell of a career. I was expecting him to thrash Agassi in NYC, but the kid lost his legs ... like most of Agassi's adversaries.
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His game, when it is on, is good enough for top 20 maybe even top 10, but I don't buy this top 5 rubbish. He has a huge serve, huge groundies, and should really incorporate a volley into his game. He could succeed on pretty much all surfaces.

As to wasted years...whenever a player has a breakthrough year, they often follow it up with a pretty poor year as they either get overconfident or the other players suss him out. He has only dropped about 20 places so I wouldn't call it a bad achievement really.

He probably needs a "mental" coach - someone that tell him how to control his emotions etc.

I totally disagree with after a breakthrough year the following they don't follow it up????

Where you got that info from dude??

Here are some of the recent stars on the atp and there rise:

Break through year following year

Hewitt 1999 (26) 2000 (6)
Nadal 2004 (45) 2005 (2)
Federer 1999 (66) 2000 (27)
Gasquet 2004 (94) 2005 (15)
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There just a few i could think of, guys who make it to the top very rarely take a step back on there 2nd year on tour, that's why i think there is a few problems with Berdych, he should of kicked on like other top players have done in the past.

Going backwards in the rankings is not a good sign,

Do you really think:

Murray or Djokovic will not improve there ranking next year???? I am 100% certain they will, i am not saying it's the end of the world he has gone backwards in the rankings, but they are not good signs for young Berdych.
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Berdych is not going backwards, his game will take a longer time to develop if he can beat the # 1 and the # 2 in the world, too many people expect after some instant success that it will be continous, it is not, the season is almost over and good for him. Time to work harder phyiscally in the off the season and no he is not past it.

The call for a new coach is garbage, after one indifferent season, it is up to the player to play the matches and not the coach.

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Berdych is not going backwards, his game will take a longer time to develop if he can beat the # 1 and the # 2 in the world, too many people expect after some instant success that it will be continous, it is not, the season is almost over and good for him. Time to work harder phyiscally in the off the season and no he is not past it.

The call for a new coach is garbage, after one indifferent season, it is up to the player to play the matches and not the coach.

I think you talk garbage my friend, no one said he was past it, but trends suggest all is not good, i didn't think he was going to be a superstar over night, but he has not kicked on which is a worry.

You say it's up to the player, well of course it is but he is 20 years old, he looks naive out there, which is understandable, but maybe he needs some fresh input, because somehting is not working, it is also upto the coach to develop his game and from what i see, he is going to be a hit and miss player, he could beat Federer but he could also loose to C.rochus!!

His game is big but unless things change in my opinion i think he will be a Gonzo type of player in around the 20 spot in the rankings.
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His game is fine, he needs work on his head


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I was watching the match last night, and i was thinking Berdych needs alot of work on his game if he is to break the top 20 at least, from what i saw he is a bit of a head case, but his all court game is poor, he needs alot of work.
Obviously he has a devastating powerful game from the back of the court, but take him from his bread and butter ( the back of the court ) i thought he looked like a novice.

He has so much potential but i honestly believe he will waste this and will hover between 20-50 for the next few years, he needs to work on his strengths, he needs to shorten points, improve his net game, and he needs a bit more margin for error on his shots.

I am a big Murray fan but all things being equal Berdych has a better game, but it looks like he needs a new coach for me, it should of been a big year for him, but it has not happened. If he doesn't make big changes i feel his talent will go to waste.

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While Berdych does have awesome groundstrokes and a huge serve, he doesn't look like a serious top 5 player. I know a lot of people predict a great future for Berdych but as you point out he has not improved on last year's breakthrough.

There is little in Berdych's results to suggest he will be in the top 10 next year and with the likes of Gasquet, Murray, Djokovic and Monfils all rushing towards the top 10 he may find it difficult to get past these players should they get there first.

Of the commonly mentioned young prospects Berdych and Verdasco appear the most likely to underperform. We have seen a lot of hit or miss players over recent years and few have made it into the top 10. Great shot making doesn't appear to be enough, it may produce outstanding victories but the mental side of the game is vital if you are to reach the top.

I disagree with the notion that he has a better game than Murray. Sure he can blast Andy off court but where is plan B? Murray has variety. He has big groundstrokes, drop shots, spins, can change the pace, serve and volley adequately, ask his opponent all types of questions. Murray looks top 5 material and a likely grand slam winner though probably not a dominant force like Federer etc.

In comparison Berdych will probably spend some time inside the top 10 and longer inside the top 20 but not be a regular contender for grand slam success. To do better than that he will have to learn to win matches when playing badly. Mentally he has a long way to go.

If you read Brad Gilbert's book Winning Ugly it isn't that difficult to understand why Berdych is struggling. Tennis is about using the percentages to gain an advantage - not about hitting the ball as hard as you can.
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Nothing to worry about with Berdych, he beat another top 10 player today albeit one out of form, still he has done well against the top players when he has played them. Yes, he lacks consistency and a coaching change is definitely not needed and it's skel the master of the knee jerk reaction.

Never heard of the fact that players develop at different speeds and in his match, today he wasn't just belting the ball for the sake of it. As for Murray it's a different kind of game, so how is it possible to make a direct comparison?

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Nothing to worry about with Berdych, he beat another top 10 player today albeit one out of form, still he has done well against the top players when he has played them. Yes, he lacks consistency and a coaching change is definitely not needed and it's skel the master of the knee jerk reaction.

Never heard of the fact that players develop at different speeds and in his match, today he wasn't just belting the ball for the sake of it. As for Murray it's a different kind of game, so how is it possible to make a direct comparison?
Agreed in a way, maybe it was a knee jerk reaction, he beat Coria probably the most out of form top 20 player at the moment, a good victory but not amazing, i agree people develop at different times, but my first impression is he will not make the grade as a household top 10 player.
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Agreed in a way, maybe it was a knee jerk reaction, he beat Coria probably the most out of form top 20 player at the moment, a good victory but not amazing, i agree people develop at different times, but my first impression is he will not make the grade as a household top 10 player.
Actually to tell you the truth, there are some valid points for sure, but impatience and knee jerk reactions tend to cloud that, but seriously it's common sense he does have a big game and he can do everything when he is focused, that will take a longer time to develop than others.

He easily has the tools to be in the top 10, doesn't mean he will make it there. Plenty of other factors that come into it, he might not be that dedicated, could get injured for a while and set him back.

It's not like he is like Gonzalez, for one he is very efficient in his strokes and generates heaps of power with economy of movement and for a tall guy, he moves very well, when he is not being lazy.

The guy can beat top 10 players and has done so, whether he can win the matches he should day in and day out is another thing. Too early to say he is stagnating.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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This thread is as great as the roasted duck one. Wouldn't it be funny if Tomas won Paris?

Berdych does have a big game, I personally saw him hit winner after winner against Nadal in Cincinnati (wow!) but consistency seems to be the issue IMHO. Once he's got that, he's Top 10 material for sure.

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This thread is as great as the roasted duck one. Wouldn't it be funny if Tomas won Paris?

Berdych does have a big game, I personally saw him hit winner after winner against Nadal in Cincinnati (wow!) but consistency seems to be the issue IMHO. Once he's got that, he's Top 10 material for sure.
Berdych has the game to trouble Nadal and the fact that have known each other for years helps as well. He can lose to a lot of people, he shouldn't, but beating both Federer and Nadal within a year, not bad for someone who is meant to be a gimp.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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More marking time for Berdych, he is in his 1st TMS quarter final and will be favoured to beat Gaudio and if he plays Stepanek, then I think he will make the final.

He had his birdbrain moments, but he could account for 2 Slam Champs and a Slam finalist, plus beating the RG champ, this year, not bad for someone standing still.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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