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Toni Nadal complains about Shanghai's surface

Toni Nadal said Nadal has no chance of winning because of the surface..

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SU TÍO, DISGUSTADO CON LA SUPERFICIE
"Nadal no tiene ninguna posibilidad en Shanghai"
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MADRID.- Toni Nadal, tío y entrenador de Rafael Nadal, expresó su disgusto con la ATP al comentar la elección de una superficie "super-rápida" para la disputa de la Copa Masters de Shanghai y calificó de "desfachatez, falta de sensibilidad con los jugadores y poco ecuánime" una pista así.
El técnico no se mordió la lengua. "En el circuito hay una serie de torneos en distintas superficies, las hay muy rápidas como el Masters Series de París, con sólo tres o cuatro torneos al año, y donde se perjudica a muchos jugadores del circuito", dijo. "De los que van al Masters más de la mitad son contrarios a estas pistas. Se debería buscar una pista intermedia. Ni la más rápida ni la más lenta. Han elegido la más rápida, y me parece un falta de sensibilidad para más del cincuenta por ciento de los tenistas", añadió.

"Ya me he encargado de al menos protestar enérgicamente, lo considero una desfachatez por su parte", dijo al referirse a la decisión de la ATP. Benito Pérez Barbadillo, responsable de prensa del ATP, señaló al respecto que la decisión de cambiar el tipo de superficie de la última Copa Masters disputada en Houston, de 'green set', al aire libre a 'gerflor' en pista cubierta en el Qi Zhong Stadium de Shangai, la misma que se encontrarán los jugadores en el Masters Series de París en dos semanas, forma parte de un contrato por un año.

"Es un nuevo contrato de la ATP y que cuenta con la aprobación del 'board' en la que se incluyen representantes de jugadores y directivos", dijo a EFE. La decisión de cambiar la superficie fue tomada en abril de este año. La ATP, en vista de cómo se desarrolle este año la competición y sobre todo, en bien del espectáculo, podría reconsiderar para el 2006 continuar o no con esta superficie.

"Entendemos la postura de Toni", continuó Pérez Barbadillo, "y tiene su parte de razón, pero antes hemos hablado con todos los jugadores para conocer su punto de vista". Sobre las posibilidades de su sobrino en esta superficie, Toni dejó entrever que serán muy pocas. "Imposible no hay nada, estoy a disgusto con la ATP por el Masters de Shangai, y entiendo que Rafa Nadal tiene nulas posibilidades. La ATP actuó de forma incorrecta porque Shangai es un torneo exclusivamente de la ATP, que decide la superficie dónde se va a jugar su sede. Aquí no ha sido ecuánime, es una superficie muy rápida contraria al juego de Rafa", añadió

"Con la pista que han elegido, han dejado sin opciones a un gran número de participantes, Coria, Nadal, Federer. Federer está opuesto a esta pista porque favorece a los cañoneros", observó Toni Nadal, quien no obstante, concedió el mayor favoritismo al suizo. "El que tiene más posibilidades de ganar es Federer. Sabiendo que es el mejor quiere jugar en una superficie en el que se pueda jugar, no donde una persona esté inspirada con el saque y no se la puedas devolver", dijo.

Toni Nadal recordó que una Copa Masters en una superficie más lenta se echa en falta. "El Masters no se ha hecho en tierra, no tiene explicación cuando ha habido grandes jugadores como Lendl, Muster. Ahora están Ferrero, Coria, se sabe que el espectáculo tenístico es mayor en pistas como Madrid, o como la del Abierto de Estados Unidos. En pista rápida, pero no ultra rápida. No hay razón para no seguir haciéndolo así".

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HIS UNCLE, DISPLEASED WITH the SURFACE "Nadal does not have any possibility in Shanghai" AGENCIES THE RELATED NEWS MADRID. - Toni Nadal, uncle and trainer of Rafael Nadal, the election of "a super-fast" surface for the dispute of the Glass Masters de Shanghai expressed its misfortune with the ATP when commenting and described as "brazenness, lack of sensitivity with the players and little even-tempered" a track thus. The technician did not bite the language. "In the circuit there is a series of matches in different surfaces, are very fast like the Masters Series of Paris, just by three or four matches to the year, and where one harms many players of the circuit", he said. "Of that they go to the Masters more than half is opposite to these tracks. An intermediate track would be due to look for. Neither fastest nor slowest. They have chosen fastest, and it seems to me a lack of sensitivity for more than the fifty percent of the tennis players ", it added. "I have already been in charge to protest at least energetically, I consider a brazenness on the other hand", said when talking about to the decision of the ATP. Benito Perez Barbadillo, person in charge of press of the ATP, indicated on the matter that the decision to change the type of surface of the last Masters Glass disputed in Houston, of ' green set', outdoors to ' gerflor' in track covered in the Qi Zhong Stadium de Shangai, the same one that will be the players in the Masters Series of Paris in two weeks, comprises of a contract by a year. "It is a new contract of the ATP and that counts on the approval of ' board' in which representatives of players and directors include themselves", he said to EFE. The decision to change the surface was taken in April of this year. The ATP, in view of how the competition is developed to east year mainly and, in or of the spectacle, could reconsider for the 2006 to continue or not with this surface. "We understand the position of Toni", she continued Perez Barbadillo, "and it has its part of reason, but before we have spoken with all the players to know its point of view". On the possibilities of its nephew in this surface, Toni let glimpse that they will be very few. "Impossible there is nothing, I am to misfortune with the ATP by the Masters de Shangai, and understand that Rafa Nadal has null possibilities. The ATP acted of incorrect form because Shangai is a match exclusively of the ATP, that decides the surface where it is going away to play his seat. Here he has not been even-tempered, is a surface very fast opposite to the game of Rafa ", added "With the track that has chosen, they have left without options a great number of participants, Coria, Nadal, Federer. Federer is opposite to this track because it favors the cannoneers ", observed Toni Nadal, that despite, granted the greater favoritism to the Swiss. "The one that has more possibilities of winning is Federer. Knowing that he is the best one it wants to play in a surface in which it is possible to be played, not where a person is inspired with the serve and you cannot be given back ", she said. Toni Nadal remembered that a Masters Glass in one more a slower surface lies down in lack. "the Masters has not become in earth, does not have explanation when there have been great players like Lendl, Muster. Now they are Ferrero, Coria, one knows that the tenístico spectacle is greater in tracks like Madrid, or the one of the Opened one of the United States. In fast, but nonextreme track fast. There is no reason not to continue doing it thus ".

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I agree that there should be a compromise rather than the fast surface, they seem to have chosen, for the TMC. Ideally they should pick a medium hard court like rebound ace because it is roughly half-way between grass and clay. According to Toni Nadal, they have picked a rather fast hard court.
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i dont mind the fast court

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I agree with tony nadal, that is unfair . the surface has to be one of medium speed and outdoor even why not clay. they never choose clay
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I agree that there should be a compromise rather than the fast surface, they seem to have chosen, for the TMC. Ideally they should pick a medium hard court like rebound ace because it is roughly half-way between grass and clay. According to Toni Nadal, they have picked a rather fast hard court.
It sounds like Shanghai is even faster than the Decoturf of the US Open. And that's very fast then, and in my opinion is too much on the extreme side of fast.
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Who does Toni think he is. Punk.
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Fast clay courts or slow hard courts should be used.

They can either use American clay courts or Australian hard courts.
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YEC is an equivalent of indoors Slam. It has to be fast. Nadal should be happy already that they allowed Madrid Masters to be held on that slow crap..
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I think there are only two fair options regarding the Masters cup surface:

1) Every year the Masters cup played on a different suraface, that is carpet, grass, outdoors hard , clay , a rotation

2) Search an intermediate surface, and this surface is outdoors hardcourt without no doubt . On hardcourt the serve-volley players can play his playstyle and the baseliners too, both playstyles are perfectly compatible and effective, a tournament on hard can be won from the baseline or playing near to the net.

And among hardcourts surface, i would say the best would be Greenset, because Decoturf ( for example US open ) is fast and Rebound ace is slow, Greenset is the intermediate, then Houston surface ( Greenset ) was the fair and perfect surface for a Masters cup.
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YEC is an equivalent of indoors Slam. It has to be fast. Nadal should be happy already that they allowed Madrid Masters to be held on that slow crap..
Your post makes no sense
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Re: Toni Nadal complains about Shanghai's surface

2 years ago people were bitching nonstop about TMC being outside.... b/c it was in the US on a medium Greenset hardcourt (similar to Madrid actually) and now people are bitching that it's indoor. Shanghai held TMC 3 years ago, did it not? Is the surface significantly different from that? And what is Toni's basis of his comments? has he actually seen the surface and played on it? Somehow, I doubt that.

Mind you, Rafa has won matches at wimbledon, just won an indoor masters beating a fastcourt player not only in the final but many other rounds, and also he won Montreal which was supposedly playing very fast.

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2 years ago people were bitching nonstop about TMC being outside.... b/c it was in the US on a medium Greenset hardcourt (similar to Madrid actually) and now people are bitching that it's indoor. Shanghai held TMC 3 years ago, did it not? Is the surface significantly different from that? And what is Toni's basis of his comments? has he actually seen the surface and played on it? Somehow, I doubt that.

Mind you, Rafa has won matches at wimbledon, just won an indoor masters beating a fastcourt player not only in the final but many other rounds, and also he won Montreal which was supposedly playing very fast.

Honestly.
There's a great difference between Shanghai 2002 and now, now its is on carpet and in 2002 was on hard..

I would like to see Roddick's reaction if a TMC was played on clay
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Re: Toni Nadal complains about Shanghai's surface

This is just expanding on statements made by Rafa before. The key phrase to me is when Toni says the surface is bad for "fifty percent of the players". He is being diplomatic but in effect he's saying the surface is geared for the American players who prefer the fast hard court as opposed to many others in tennis who would prefer a medium fast court. I don't know about fifty percent but I'm sure you guys will break his statement down.

We are being forewarned: Shanghai will be a serve fest.

Toni has a right to his opinion which should carry some weight. I doubt if the surface will be changed though.
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Toni Nadal!

I am glad he didn't "bite the language."
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