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Hopefully it helps him. It is a suprising choice though, but if he feels this will help him start winning slams, good.
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His mother has never had any official coaching role.
Perhaps, but surely you can agree that her constant presence affected his game negatively.

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Perhaps, but surely you can agree that her constant presence affected his game negatively.
Not at all - her presence has hardly been constant since she's spent the vast majority of her time on initiatives for Scottish tennis and is now the GB Fed Cup Captain. Her presence, such as it has been, has been familial support and I don't see why that should be a negative impact. People have tended to harp on about the Judy Murray angle and make far more of it than exists, in my opinion. Ultimately he is responsible for his own game and such things that Lendl can bring to the table are likely to be minor and attitudinal but all ultimately stem from the player himself being willing to listen and put his trust in someone else.
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I read this on Bleacher Report....one guy posted it as a comment .....funny as hell


Ivan Lendl: Muzza, you got to get on the court today with me and practice on your second serve.
Andy Murray (petulantly): But Ivan, I need two more for my killstreak for air support and Iím about to merc these noobs here.
Ivan Lendl: You know what? You better get your butt off the couch or Iím about to pull your ears!
Andy Murray: No you canít do that! I hired you! Okay Lendl? Okay?! I just donít feel like it right now. Besides it's too sunny outside now.
Ivan Lendl: Thatís not how I won all those slamsÖ
Andy Murray: You won them because you played in a weak era. Thatís what my friends say.
Ivan Lendl: Did they say what Iím about to do with this tennis racket here if you donít man up and start listening to your coach?
Andy Murray (drops 360 controller, runs into kitchen): Mom?! Mom! Díyou hear what coach Len-DL said to me? (exchange) No mum! I practiced yesterday and took Kim to the mall last night like you said. Iím tired of being told! Iím tired of this @#@$! Just when I got a clean headshot and Clan Ostrich Face is ahead and Mr. Legend has to walk in there and start demanding things. (exchange) No, you go there and tell him, Iíve had it and Iím thinking about going solo againÖ Oh, yes, Iím serious.
Murrayís Mum (comes out of kitchen): Ivan, heís just a kid alright? You have to be more gentle. Didnít he get a couple of serves in the general vicinity of the box yesterday?
Ivan Lendl: You guys tell that to Rafa, the next time Andy loses a semifinal. If thatís how you want to-
Murrayís Mum: Theyíre friends Ivan. Have a heart, will ya?
Andy Murray: Yeah, I-van, weíre friends. Pfft! Like I care if Rafa beats me. At least I merced him in COD 3 last night. Please, not that you would know anything about friendship. With your Robocop voice and your Robocop walk. At least Rafa likes me and when he beats me, like every time, in tennis, he hugs me, afterward. You donít know, so shut it!
Ivan Lendl: No, youíre right, I wouldnít want to know what thatís likeÖ

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Too big. Guy knows Mugray inside out.

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Re: Player/Coach Changes (Ivan Lendl working with Andy Murray, yes it's true)

Re: Meuzza.

Two years ago, he had the highest winning percentage. Every one of those players have gone on to number 1 and won a slam.

Murray was born in 1987, so he's 24, coming up on his 25th birthday. 3 slam finals 5 slam SFs.

Lendl won his first slam when he was 24, and a couple months. I figured Murray would have won a slam by now.

4 slam finals, and a SF. So Murray has actually done a fair bit more than Lendl before he won his first slam.

Same ages:

1 Slam win, 5 finals 2 SFs and a QF for Lendl.
0 Slam win, 3 finals 5 SFs. So out of 8 trips to the SFs, Murray has 3 finals and 5 semifinals.

He lost to Wilander, Borg, Connors, Connors, McEnroe (semis) Noah (eventual winner QFs), McEnroe (QFs), and Kevin Curren.

Curren is the WORST loss that Lendl had, and he went onto the finals.

Murray:

Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Nadal, Federer, Federer, Djokovic, and Gonzo.

Gonzo is the only bad loss that Murray has had past the QFs.

So if, Nadal = Borg, and Federer = Connors and McEnroe = Djokovic and Wilander = Soderling.

If Murray's situation is like that of Lendl, what has to happen is that he has to beat Djokovic in a final and Soderling has to make a SF.

So you get it like this:

Borg left in 1982- the first chance Lendl had to supplant Borg, he lost to Noah.

The problem for Murray is that Nadal - the stronger claycourter, is still, very much, in the picture. Connors, being like Federer and Djokovic being like McEnroe, are also still in the picture.

After Lendl won in '84, he lost to Connors at Wimbledon and Johnny Mac at the USO.

He would begin his 25th year like this:

French Open: Loss to Wilander. So, he would beat Federer, only to lose to the Sodaking in the French. Sodaking defeats Djokovic on the way there. Nadal would not be in the picture.

Lendl, first bad loss in a long time. To Leconte, Becker, the other young gun emerges.

So, in 1985 you have the 25 year old Lendl, with the changing of the guard already underway with Becker and Edberg coming up, with Connors, and McEnroe fading. One slam under his belt. 6 finals, and 2 semifinals.

1985 USO - Defeats NOAH, defeats, Connors, defeats number one McEnroe to finally, overcome everything and win his second slam. Fast forward to many more slams over the years, and 5 years of dominance.

Loss to 19 year old up and comer Edberg - 5 years younger and ranked 5th closed out the year.

This was significant for two reasons. 1985 was a changing of the guard. Borg had retired and was gone. McEnroe bombed out. Connors was gone. It was just Lendl, and Wilander, but instead of either winning, the up and comer one.

So what's in store for Murray?

Good news - there is no Wilander. Soderling is not as strong as Wilander. However:

Borg did not retire. And Connors, rather than being 8 years age difference, is only 6 years. So you have a younger Connors, plus Borg. Still in the mix.

This year, we would predict some of the young guns (21 and under), to break through and win a slam.

It's too early quite yet to tell whether Murray succeeds or whether his peak will be the Finals, and he gets overtaken by the young guys and blocked by Fed + Nadal. But, his time is in the next 2-3 years. After that, his chance for a Lendl style career will be gone.

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Re: Player/Coach Changes (Ivan Lendl working with Andy Murray, yes it's true)

Sorry I didn't really follow things in the above post so all I will say is if Lendl can help Andy finally get a Slam I think it will be great!

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Sorry I didn't really follow things in the above post so all I will say is if Lendl can help Andy finally get a Slam I think it will be great!
Maybe if he plays instead of him
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This is not good. Lendl could make Murray spoil Fed's 2012 Golden CYGS, now.
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Have a feeling that Murray will win AO.
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Have a feeling that Murray will win AO.
Definitely. Put all your money on it now.
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I'm not sure Murray can get over his mental dwarfism and finally step up in slams against top players.
I wish him the very best though because the tour needs a serious slam contender SO BADLY since Del Potro can't keep his body in shape for a single tournament.
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I'm not sure Murray can get over his mental dwarfism and finally step up in slams against top players.
I wish him the very best though because the tour needs a serious slam contender SO BADLY since Del Potro can't keep his body in shape for a single tournament.
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