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I meant He don't have always a good mood with his coaches, and he changes it to feel good or better
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There is nothing wrong with your english Alonso- not to worry. Much better than my spanish and you are right about moods

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I meant He don't have always a good mood with his coaches, and he changes it to feel good or better
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There was a point to what they were saying, it needed some background info.
Guga and Passos were together for ages.
Schüttler and Hordoff
Ferrero and his coach
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Gaudio and Davin have been together for a while now
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ah... Alex and Dudu... those were the good old days

Ferrero and Martinez... a change is LONG overdue

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ah... Alex and Dudu... those were the good old days

Ferrero and Martinez... a change is LONG overdue
Definitely agree about Ferrero. Way way overdue...
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ah... Alex and Dudu... those were the good old days

Ferrero and Martinez... a change is LONG overdue
Well Alex and Dudu were together for ages and big Al and Perlas were together for sometime as well.

Dudu is probably still smoking a pack of cigs a day somewhere in Barcelona.

Malisse has gone for another coaching change.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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Ok as this is my first thread on GM( and may very well be my last ) so be kind.

I was watching TTC here in the states with the European Madrid feed and the commentators were talking about how and why some South American players continually change coaches. Yes it seems to be a fact for some but not all but then the commentators went on to say that the players seemed to point the blame for their doing poorly squarely on their coaches without taking some of the blame on themselves. I thought this was a bit out of line and obviously an opinion although not stated as such.

Now I know many MTF's have opinions and don't mind commentating a bit themselves. But I also think that there are others here who may actually have information to share in this regard. So comment away please
when I saw this thread title I thought it was about Murray going up on Henman 5-2, but now I see it's only another thread about South American players.

I've a soft spot for the South Americans. They are a little different from the other players and bring a great flavor to the tour. If they change coaches or blame their coaches -- it's no more than players from other parts of the world do. Actually, I think it's been a bit more common in recent years for a player to change coaches. It used to be a rare event. Now I see many players changing coaches.
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Well Alex and Dudu were together for ages and big Al and Perlas were together for sometime as well.

Dudu is probably still smoking a pack of cigs a day somewhere in Barcelona.

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...not as many as he smoked when he was coaching Alex...

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...not as many as he smoked when he was coaching Alex...
Well he was always smoking, still one of the best coaches around.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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when I saw this thread title I thought it was about Murray going up on Henman 5-2, but now I see it's only another thread about South American players.

I've a soft spot for the South Americans. They are a little different from the other players and bring a great flavor to the tour. If they change coaches or blame their coaches -- it's no more than players from other parts of the world do. Actually, I think it's been a bit more common in recent years for a player to change coaches. It used to be a rare event. Now I see many players changing coaches.
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when I saw this thread title I thought it was about Murray going up on Henman 5-2, but now I see it's only another thread about South American players.

I've a soft spot for the South Americans. They are a little different from the other players and bring a great flavor to the tour. If they change coaches or blame their coaches -- it's no more than players from other parts of the world do. Actually, I think it's been a bit more common in recent years for a player to change coaches. It used to be a rare event. Now I see many players changing coaches.
I have a soft spot for them too.

It is all players, just not South Americans or certain South American players.

And the fans scream for coaching changes too (I've been guilty of that myself on more than one occasion. ). Look at how everyone wants Andy to dump Dean - and Andy had a great year by most players standards.
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This weekend I read an interesting article on a Brazilian paper about this. It was written by Paulo Cleto, a former coach and DC captain. While the article was not exactly about this, he made a comment that in the tennistic culture in Argentina, the switching of coaches occurs more often between players than in other countries, mainly because of money and everything that comes with a ranking climb-up. When players achieve a certain level of success at the tour, they have more "bargain power" to reduce coach salaries, then if the coach is unwilling to give up on his high salaries, even if he is coaching a high-level player that could boost his coaching career, the break-up occurs.

Of course, a lot of people here will disagree with this, and I have to make clear that it's not my opinion, just an article written by a guy who knows a lot about tennis behind-the-scenes.

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This weekend I read an interesting article on a Brazilian paper about this. It was written by Paulo Cleto, a former coach and DC captain. While the article was not exactly about this, he made a comment that in the tennistic culture in Argentina, the switching of coaches occurs more often between players than in other countries, mainly because of money and everything that comes with a ranking climb-up. When players achieve a certain level of success at the tour, they have more "bargain power" to reduce coach salaries, then if the coach is unwilling to give up on his high salaries, even if he is coaching a high-level player that could boost his coaching career, the break-up occurs.

Of course, a lot of people here will disagree with this, and I have to make clear that it's not my opinion, just an article written by a guy who knows a lot about tennis behind-the-scenes.

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Hey, hope you don't mind I have bumped up your thread.

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Hey, hope you don't mind I have bumped up your thread.
No but I wish I had more to add in it

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Thanks to Rosie for finding this and excuse the poor translation. I hope this is not a trend that Acasuso continues and he sticks with the team he has.

This is known as the South American dance of the coaches among the players and Chucho's and Gaston's former coach Horacio De La Peña has made some comments.

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http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.p...xSeccion=100712

De La Peña again attacks Argentinian players

The coach of the Chilean Fernando Gonzalez doesn´t understand why so many Argentinian players change coach so often. Coria Calleri Chela and Zabaleta are at the top the list.

In statements made to the cable program "Tennis Sports". De La Peña says "so many coach changes are not well regarded. In Europe they really can´t understand these attitudes.

Argentine players are not well considered in Europe because of these those changes. The statistics show that, for example, for Guillermo Coria, Spanish Jose Higueras will be coach number 8, Calleri with 9 Zaba and Chela with 7 coaches".

Gastón Gaudio and David Nalbandian have had less coaching changes. The former champion of Roland Garros had six and the present number one of Argentina, four.

De La Peña says "Beyond the attitude of the players, the coaches must earn themselves respect, I have a yearly renewable contract with Fernando Gonzalez and we both take care of ourselves and respect each other".

De La Peña last worked with Squillari in 2002 as hasn't worked with an Argentine player since then. He used to train Chucho and Gaudio among others.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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