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Is the season too long, or are the players just desperate?

I read a comment this morning in the "Rafa injury" thread and it got me thinking.

Yet again I stand firm and say it is the players that are wrong. For the top players, they need to play 4 GS, 9 MS and 5 optionals = 18 events. I feel that the maximum number of events they should play is 23 - thus giving them 5 more chances to get a good bunch of optional results counting towards their ranking. I also think they shouldn't play more than for 3 weeks without a weeks rest...especially those that go deep into most draws - *cough* Nadal *cough*

For players that aren't at the top of the game, I reckon 23 - 27 tournaments a year is a maximum for them - this would allow them a good chance to work their way up the rankings quickly, and if a player is losing 1st round many times, it would probably give him the realisation sooner rather than later that he is not good enough, thus saving time and money!

Why then am I seeing several top 50 players hitting the 30+ tournament barrier? Such players are - Beck, Sanguinetti, Srichaphan, Volandri and Andreev. And what a surprise, at least 2 of those guys are carrying injuries!!

I want to see the ATP impose sanctions on the number of tournaments players can enter - it should help reduce stress on their bodies, put over-inflated rankings down to the level they should really be at, and it might even help spread the Race points about so that the Race becomes more competitive (probably from outside the top 15 or so).
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Re: Is the season too long, or are the players just desperate?

Fair points Jez.....

I get a bit annoyed when players moan and moan. They're getting good money and doing something they love every day. It happens in every sport. No-one forces them to play any events, and its up to them how many they wish to play. Yes, injuries are unfortunate but its part and parcel of sport, and you have to accept you're going to get some. I personally think the season is fine
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Re: Is the season too long, or are the players just desperate?

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I personally think the season is fine
My point exactly mate - the only qualms I have with it are the Davis Cup format which needs changing (to what I don't know) and mayve there should be 1 week of optionals between back-to-back Masters events - this would benefit players who had early exits from the first Masters event.
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My point exactly mate - the only qualms I have with it are the Davis Cup format which needs changing (to what I don't know) and mayve there should be 1 week of optionals between back-to-back Masters events - this would benefit players who had early exits from the first Masters event.
I know I'm agreeing with most of what you say. Back-to-back TMS also works against those who do well. We've seen a lot of players either pull out or go out early after reaching the latter stages the previous week. I'm not sure what to do with the DC, I still think a tournament that is similar to a World Cup (soccer) would be fantastic. Get all the nations at 1 venue, and have a 2 week tournament. Fans from all across the world can go and support their country.
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Re: Is the season too long, or are the players just desperate?

As far as i remember in these moments tennis has the longest season among the main international sports , the competition begins the first week of January and ends in December ( for those Davis cup players ), and it's insane too many months of competition.

But unlike other sports , tennis players can play the tournaments that they want , can make their own schedule and can decide which weeks and how many weeks to rest . Tennis players are free lance (self employed) and they aren't forced to play all the weeks

I think one of the main problems with the injuries in tennis is that some players abuse playing too many international series because they know that in GS and AMS aren't able to do great things , when in theory playing 5-7 international series plus GM and AMS would be enough , but these players use the international series as his salvation to keep a good ranking position trying to get the maximum number of points in these best other 5 results ( international series ).

To sum up, tennis season is too much long and it should be shortened but also the players should plan schedules more logical.

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Re: Is the season too long, or are the players just desperate?

it's way too long
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Re: Is the season too long, or are the players just desperate?

Personally i consider you are making a mistake.

It's true that the top players should play between 18 and 23 approximately etc.... But you are just considering the physical tiredness and not the mental fatigue .

Although a player only played 18 tounaments during the season , between two tournaments the player has to continue to practise and train, and has to continue to be focused on tennis , and this concentration also wears the player out

The first mandatory event begins the 3rd week of January ( Aus open ) and ends in the middle of November ( Masters cup , not counting Davis cup ) ,approximately 11 months of competition and i don't know a lot of sports with a season so long.

The only moment when the player can disconnect mentally is when the season is finished and a lot of players go on holidays to an island with his girlfriend/wife and they don't make no physical exercise and don't think in tennis . During the season a player can have at the most serveral consecutive days of holidays but this isn't really holidays because your mind is still thinking in tennis.

I think you have forgotten one esential aspect in the sports which the mental fatigue which can also entail injuries . And a season with 11 months of competition is insane for the mind.

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Re: Is the season too long, or are the players just desperate?

Almost every sport has an off-season. Tennis doesn't really have one.

Also, the way to get and hold a good ranking is not always as relevant and demanding in other sports.

In cycling, there's also a ranking but most cyclists don't really care all that much for that ranking.
In tennis, a good ranking will allow you to be seeded for events, gives you certain advantages over lower ranked players, no?
In cycling, a ranking doesn't make a damn bit of difference. You don't get a 'bye' for the first etapes in the Tour de France for example and there's no such thing as a "seed". At the start of a race, all the cyclists start with the same advantages and disadvantages. They don't have to do qualifying races just to have the chance to enter the Vuelta. Sure, they have to prove that they are fit enough and good enough to be part of the team but they have a longer period to do so.
Also, most cyclists pick and choose their events. Many of them do enter other races of course, but they don't really care all that much for the end results of those races because to them, it's just training. All that counts are just a couple of weeks every year. People like Armstrong or Ullrich focus their entire season on just three weeks and the rest of the year is a preparation for those three weeks. Tennis players get to pick and choose as well but the pressure to keep a good ranking is more important.
I've read some article before on how long it takes a body to train and prepare for a peak level in order to give a top performance and how long you can hold on to that peak performance. It's amazing how long it takes to get to that point and how quickly that peak period passes.
Hence, cyclists tend to select their goals and aim for a peak performance once a year. Most tennis players try to aim for a peak performance several times a year.
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The Tennis Week Interview: Roger Federer - 11/6/2004

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Tennis Week: What do you make of the talk of player withdrawals, player injuries resulting from a long season and players defending their right to withdraw to protect themselves from aggravating injuries. I saw Roddick's comments in Paris earlier this week..

Roger Federer: What did he say?

Tennis Week: He basically said "In what other sport do you play 11 months of the year? I am going to finish my season on December 5th and start next year on January 5th. I would rather pull out of an event than injure myself. If they can't understand the way an athlete works, it's too bad." Is the schedule too long? Is it too long? Does it need to be shortened to protect the players from injuries? What do you think?

Roger Federer: I think in a way the season is definitely long. But you can adjust your schedule. Scheduling is very important in my career. I have to make sure I don't just chase tournaments. I just play my schedule I really like to play. I don't think that is an excuse for any of the players because that's just how the tour is. We have a great tour. We should not forget that. We have many, many highlights in our year and you have to be ready for them. And sometimes you are tired. Don't play if you are too tired. If you think, "I really should help the sport", you know you should go play even though you are tired, but still make sure you prevent injuries.

Tennis Week: So you have to take care of yourself.

Roger Federer: You have to take care of yourself. You have to be aggressive sometimes, but not all the time. Think about the fans around the world who want to see you. Think about tournament directors who love to have you there. Think about the sponsors who support the game. I think you have to make it up to all of them. Because we are living our dreams basically because of them. We didn't start when we were three years old because we wanted to play on Wimbledon's Centre Court. We started because we loved playing, we loved hitting the ball and suddenly we make it there. We live the tour and let's say we start saying: "Oh, the tour is too long, I'm too tired." I don't agree.

Tennis Week: You can't have it both ways.

Roger Federer: No. You have to make some sacrifices for this life we have. You can't play tennis 'till you're 60. The career already stops at 30 or 35 years old because then your body is used, you're tired of traveling and so on, so you might as well enjoy it now while you can.

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Re: Is the season too long, or are the players just desperate?

Nadal's schedule was as stupid as JesusFed playing for more cash in Asia. It's all their faults

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Nadal's schedule was as stupid as JesusFed playing for more cash in Asia. It's all their faults
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Challenger level players have to play as much as they can in order to make money. Jeff Morrison told me that he played 28 events last year when he was healthy and he had to do it to keep his ranking up and pay his bills. Players in the Top 50 have more flexibility to adjust their schedules and take time off. The season needs to be shorter. The tour should be done by the first week in November (including Masters Cup) and the circuits should be done 2 weeks after that.

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But don't you think if it's shorter, a lot of the lower ranked players won't be able to afford to pay the bills anymore?

If players don't want to play as much, they have that option.


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Re: Is the season too long, or are the players just desperate?

No, I think they'll be at home, living cheaply for a few more weeks.

There are some benefits for the 200-300 ranked guys that they can still get points right up until the Aus Open entry cutoff (December 5th this year) and some of them will really need it, but these same guys will tell you that yes, the season is too long and part of the reason they are out there still playing tournaments is because the 'other guy' is still out there playing tournaments.
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The season is too long. No one debates that but, tennis is an international sport and largely makes it money from these events. So it's hard to give events up because the more you have the more money you make. As players you need to smart about picking events, if you can do that, your career will last longer.

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