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Let's talk a bit about Juan Carlos.

He played pretty much toe-to-toe with Ivan for the duration of the second half of the match, but despite that, there is a feeling that the sting has vanquished from the mosquito.

This reminds me of Roddick 2005 version - healthy, but can't come up with the goods. Ferrero couldn't get a single ball past Ivan when the latter came forward!

Once upon a time, every time a ball found its way to Ferrero's forehand, I would already expect a great shot - this is just not there anymore, and it's the same case with Roddick.

Why? What is the reason for this? What can he possibly do in order to get his sting back? I still think that the Juan Carlos who played today can be a solid top 15 player, but he will not be satisfied with this. He needs the might of his forehand back - or else he will find it very difficult to battle with the Ljubicic kind of players out of the clay courts - and even on them as well.

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Re: Let's talk a bit about Juan Carlos.

I've been wanting to have a discussion like this for a while. Maybe it's the bandage he's sporting around his head these days, but to me it's remarkable how frail and slight Ferrero looks nowadays compared to his 2003 best - his clothes seem to hang off him at times, and he just isn't an imposing figure. He's obviously lost some confidence in his ability to pull the trigger on the forehand side at crucial moments, and the old weaknesses he had in his game still remain; sometimes on passing shots he tries to hammer the ball and lifts it too much, instead of dipping it without pace to the volleyer's feet as the best passers like Nadal and Coria do.

Likewise, he is still reluctant to move into the forecourt to finish points off and lacks authority there. There were plenty of times today where Ljubicic scraped back high floating balls from way off the court, the most obvious example being the marathon rally on breakpoint at 4-4 in the third, that would have been comfortable putaways had Ferrero closed in on the net and volleyed them. As fantastic a groundstroker as he is, this reluctance to come out of his comfort zone could really be his undoing. And he's never been the best returner of big serves on fast courts, today that was also demonstrated even though Ljubicic didn't have his best serving day.

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I just think his forhand is the big difference. In 2003, it was the best in the business and now it lacks the consistency, the power and the accuracy to be an effective weapon. I don't expect him to still have the best forehand, I know players like Roger have come along with amazing shots, but it could still be one of the best if he had retained it after his 2004 injuries. There's no doubt that his forehand made him the player he was when he topped the world rankings.

Otherwise, his serve, his backhand and his movement all seem to be just as good as in 2003. Maybe he's lacking a bit of confidence which leads to forehand errors.
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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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The game has moved on since when Ferrero was at his best before. Players hit just as hard as he does, some even move better, plus he hasn't added that much to his game since his glory days.

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Frew McMillan said during the commentary that there is still room for improvement in JC's game, and I think that is true. I don't think today was his best ever performance or even best of the week, so I wouldn't say this one match is a barometer of his overall game at the moment. The fact he even made the final here is another step in the right direction.
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I think that his injuries and illness of last year took a lot more out of him then we expected.
If I think back how I struggled to get back after a injury, I can only imagine what he's going through.
The hardest thing is the confidence. Everybody seems to believe in you, but you can't seem to believe in yourself. And there is always the worry that the injury might come back ( in my case it did)

Let's hope that he can take all the positive things of this week to next year and into the preparation of next year. If he doesn't get into shanghai this year, he should try to use that energy to get his revenge next year.




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Frew McMillan said during the commentary that there is still room for improvement in JC's game, and I think that is true. I don't think today was his best ever performance or even best of the week, so I wouldn't say this one match is a barometer of his overall game at the moment. The fact he even made the final here is another step in the right direction.
I hope you're right.
He did, at least, seem to be going in the right direction because he played much better in the 3rd set than in the 1st. His forehand was just starting to work when the match ended and he was really starting to make Ivan work hard.
This could be a good experience, the sort of match that could set him up well for Madrid.
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I think that his injuries and illness of last year took a lot more out of him then we expected.
If I think back how I struggled to get back after a injury, I can only imagine what he's going through.
The hardest thing is the confidence. Everybody seems to believe in you, but you can't seem to believe in yourself. And there is always the worry that the injury might come back ( in my case it did)
I don't even want to think about that. If his injury comes back:

But yes it is possible
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finally somebody said it!
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The game has moved on since when Ferrero was at his best before. Players hit just as hard as he does, some even move better, plus he hasn't added that much to his game since his glory days.
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I don't even want to think about that. If his injury comes back:

But yes it is possible
well surely hope it doesn't, but that something that keeps coming back in your mind. You never know
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Time for Juan Carlos to act like a champion again. Find a new town, find new coach, find a new routine, find new things to practice, find a way to win again. Great champions do this. They do not rest on their laurels and whine about over scheduling. Get on with it JCF. It's going to be over before you know it.
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