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Most cocky/arrogant player(s) ever ?

Came across an article on Bill Tilden and started thinking, hm, has there ever been anyone quite that egotistical within the last couple of decades ?
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The play was the thing for Tilden but the more he won the more his other weaknesses showed. He would arrogantly hold four balls in his hand at once, serve three aces and then throw the fourth aside and walk away, a move many opponents naturally found distasteful. "All of his personal liabilities were accentuated by his success," said Tilden's friend Carl Fisher.

I'd say that Rios is about the closest thing to cocky & arrogant, downright nasty that I can think of. Tilden was arrogant, but at the same time quite effeminate it seems. Well, also, let's add in Greg Rusedski. Also, Jimmy Connors.
I'm thinking there are 2 types of arrogance
A). Macho Arrogance
B). Snotty Arrogance

If anyone were to ever call Roger arrogant, we would have to say he does it in a clever & underhanded fashion, making remarks like "I enjoy playing Andy and not because I win all the time", as opposed to a moron like Rusedski calling Pete Sampras washed up or a shadow of him old self. Where does a player like Greg Rusedski get off calling a legend washed up ?

Seriously, every player is arrogant, we must admit... to an extent. How can you be playing at this level and not develop some type of an ego ?

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John "Big Mouth" Mcenroe
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How could I forget this one? Hmm, I saw his displays more so of an act of childishness than an act of arrogance. Arrogance has some beauty and art to it, his ramblings and hissy fits were apalling.
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Re: Most cocky/arrogant player(s) ever ?

Coria, now he's arrogant!
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Re: Most cocky/arrogant player(s) ever ?

I think of active players, Rusedski gets my vote, of all time, i'd have to go with Connors
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The play was the thing for Tilden but the more he won the more his other weaknesses showed. He would arrogantly hold four balls in his hand at once, serve three aces and then throw the fourth aside and walk away, a move many opponents naturally found distasteful. "All of his personal liabilities were accentuated by his success," said Tilden's friend Carl Fisher.
No wonder Tilden died alone and penniless. [Well, also because he was gay and a convicted felon, child molestor. ]

I think Connors and Rios take the prize for most arrogant. I don't think Coria is actually arrogant, just not very smart.
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Re: Most cocky/arrogant player(s) ever ?

Jimmy Connors and John McEnroe

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Lleyton Hewitt.
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Re: Most cocky/arrogant player(s) ever ?

Jimmy Connors is the most cocky player that I can recall in my lifetime of 27 years. Agassi had some cockiness in my mind when he was younger (and I loved it at the time), but outgrew it. Connors never did.

I sometimes think that Hewitt stradles the line between confident and cocky, but I tend to think of him as more as just very confident.

I adore Federer, but I do think that he can sometimes be arrogant, but in the best way possible. Meaning that he is a realist who understands the magnitute of his success and skills. He has almost an aristocratic arrogance sometimes - and I don't really think that's a bad thing. I think his arrogance in a way is built out of his being true and not falsely modest. And not to split hairs- but I think that there can be a difference between arrogance and cockiness and while I think that Feds can be sometimes slightly arrogant- I don't think that he is cocky.

Rios could be quite arrogant- but it suited him.

Lendl could be a little smug at times.

Tilden sounds like he was quite a character and really did things to get under his skin. A book I have on the 1920s says:

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It was typical of Big Bill to link tennis and the theater, the two worlds he loved most. Purists might complain that he did too much acting on the court- holding aloft an injured finger or playing with his sweater on for a set or two before peeling it off for the blazing finish.
Tilden and Suzanne Lenglen must have been handfulls in the '20s.

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Re: Most cocky/arrogant player(s) ever ?

i would say McEnroe but of the modern players today i would say murray

Nieminen- The lucky lefty of tennis.
Sampras- The hairy champion of tennis.
Ferrero- The mosquito of tennis.
Srichaphan- The Thai- ger of tennis.
Safin - The of tennis.
Bagdatis- The quotesman of tennis "my coach will watch, i will sleep with my girlfriend"
Kiefer- The naive guy, "yeh, me and seb are good friends"
Santoro- The double handed wizard of tennis.
Lopez- IS my hair right? IS my lipstick right?
Moya- The tatoo and muscles of tennis (although nadal kicks his ass in that department).
Tipsarevic- The tatoo of tennis, competing with moya.
Djokovic- Stole Jiri's surname

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I'd say that Rios is about the closest thing to cocky & arrogant, downright nasty that I can think of.
oh come on! when you're that talented you can make tennis look easy, and it can be perceived as atrrogance. I think you read too much Sports Illustrated. All champions are arrogant to a degree - no one goes on court humble. Most unpleasantly arrogant was Johnny Mac, cloesly followed by Boris Becker - just his whole body language.

I think for me the most talented of all times was (Marcelo) Rios. Marat Safin, 2004

Marcelo has an enormous talent. Gaudio, RG champion 2004

"Rios ... he has a beautiful game, great forehand and great touch," Federer, World number 1

Guillermo Coria: "Ríos and Vilas are my two idols"
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Re: Most cocky/arrogant player(s) ever ?

I would say Jimmy Connors.

Did anybody see that interview a couple of months ago on BBC World with that retired umpire from Wimbledon (sorry, can't remember his name)?
He was asked who was the most terrible to work with as an umpire: McEnroe or Connors.
The umpire said Connors. Both of them would complain a lot to the umpires but McEnroe was always direct and in your face. If he didn't like something, he didn't mess around with his words but he would just say it to you directly. Connors would say one thing to you and then turn his back on you and make all sorts of gestures. You never knew where you stood with Connors contrary to McEnroe.

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Lendl liked to create an aura about him to intimidate. Coria is arrogant as well, in a 'nasty' way.

I think for me the most talented of all times was (Marcelo) Rios. Marat Safin, 2004

Marcelo has an enormous talent. Gaudio, RG champion 2004

"Rios ... he has a beautiful game, great forehand and great touch," Federer, World number 1

Guillermo Coria: "Ríos and Vilas are my two idols"
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Re: Most cocky/arrogant player(s) ever ?

yes, Connors could be downright rude and nasty - bullying.

I think for me the most talented of all times was (Marcelo) Rios. Marat Safin, 2004

Marcelo has an enormous talent. Gaudio, RG champion 2004

"Rios ... he has a beautiful game, great forehand and great touch," Federer, World number 1

Guillermo Coria: "Ríos and Vilas are my two idols"
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Of the guys I personally got to know there's no one more arrogant than Coria. About the others I don't want to say anything

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