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Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

Monfils just lost today to Martin in Palermo. For the last 3 tournys he has entered into, he has lost in the 1st rd. Each time winning the 1st set comfortably. Then loosing when things get tough in the third. Anyone think he still has that 5 set U.S. Open match on his mind? Or is he just not mentally tough enough to close out matches when things get close?
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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

Monfils losing to Martin on clay isn't a terrible surprise when you consider that Martin had a good week last week.

I don't nkow about the other losses.

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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

Other than his 1 tournament victory, his form on the ATP has been pretty poor in general. He'll be good in the future, but to be honest any top 100 player has a chance against him at the moment.
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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

I bet money on him, too :retard:


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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

Not a lot... but the odds were like .80 or something.


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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

Monfils still needs to improve his stamina and until then he will probably continue to start matches well but fade as they go on, especially against players like Martin on clay. But no, this isn't brought on from the US Open match. He had similar trends before the Djokovic loss. Remember Cincy? 4-6, 6-1, 6-1 to Misha.

Once Monfils becomes fitter, he won't have lapses like that.

Anyway, why did Gael play Palermo at all? Was the cut-off lower there? I know he won Sopot, but it seems strange to me; his game is better suited right now for a faster court. He should have played that random indoor event where Lars Burgsmuller wins matches.

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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

He has had many first round losses as well before Wimbledon. He's a bit of a rollercoster this year. But it's his first year.

And losing to Martin on clay is not really such a bad result.
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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

I doubt his recent losses have sthg to do with his loss to Djokovic at the USO. GaŽl has to work on his constency. He knows about it. And Champion too. I've seen almost all of his matches since a few months and it's always the same scheme. Even when he wins the match, he has a time of the match during which he's out. He lacks focus and ends up losing either the set, or the match. I do like GaŽl and I do hope he'll be able to improve in that field as soon as possible.

And of course, all this doesn't take anything to the fact that Martin certainly deserved to win that match.

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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

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I doubt his recent losses have sthg to do with his loss to Djokovic at the USO. GaŽl has to work on his constency. He knows about it. And Champion too. I've seen almost all of his matches since a few months and it's always the same scheme. Even when he wins the match, he has a time of the match during which he's out. He lacks focus and ends up losing either the set, or the match. I do like GaŽl and I do hope he'll be able to improve in that field as soon as possible.
Some say it's a problem of stamina more than focus. He's "recuperating strengh" in the middle of his matches... He doesn't manage his "energy reserves" well during a match. He runs everywhere instead of being smart enough to end points when he could. He "wastes" his energy. Because he definitely has the weapons even if they aren't technically perfect at all (it's wrong to say he has no volley as some do for exemple but he never uses his very perfectible volley which could still be of good use to him during matches, and he has a few best shots and no shot he can't do at all. Yet they're all weak technically with a huge margin for progression but he has solid bases that hint he could get somewhere with them if he works well...). Sorry if that doesn't make sense.
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Some say it's a problem of stamina more than focus. He's "recuperating strengh" in the middle of his matches... He doesn't manage his "energy reserves" well during a match. He runs everywhere instead of being smart enough to end points when he could. He "wastes" his energy. Because he definitely has the weapons even if they aren't technically perfect at all (it's wrong to say he has no volley as some do for exemple but he never uses his very perfectible volley which could still be of good use to him during matches, and he has a few best shots and no shot he can't do at all. Yet they're all weak technically with a huge margin for progression but he has solid bases that hint he could get somewhere with them if he works well...). Sorry if that doesn't make sense.
True that on some matches, he has wasted some of his physical savings...but it's not always the case. I've seen him play against Starace live in Stuttgart, and I can tell you that GaŽl has never mentally entered that match. Potito was the boss on the court and GaŽl simply has hit the ball back. Some shots have been genius but it's too short to win a match. I was shouting at him all the time, encouraging him, but his mind wasn't on the court on that day.

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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

Does he really have a strong stroke, a big weapon ? When I watch the Djokovic match I found he never attacked, and I was a bit disapointed. He's got the big serve but we know it's not enough today. What else ?

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Monfils is overrated. I laught very much at everbody who say monfils will be as good as roddick
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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

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Monfils is overrated. I laught very much at everbody who say Monfils will be as good as Roddick
I never heard any ppl say that but if i had i would laugh at them too. First because how could they know, second because from what he's showing now and have shown in the past if i were to make a peremptory judgement like them, i would say it can't be the case.
Now, he's overhyped for sure. Overrated maybe. Don't know. It's hard to tell with him. Big uncertainty. He could make it or completely flop 50/50. It's al; about a rarely perceptible potential. But i for one think it's there. I could be very wrong though. But i understand those who believe in him. Very few arguments on their favor but there are some. I also understand those who say he's overated though. Only time will tell.

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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

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Other than his 1 tournament victory, his form on the ATP has been pretty poor in general. He'll be good in the future, but to be honest any top 100 player has a chance against him at the moment.
You're right. But it was expected since it's his first year among the pros.
His results since his debuts on the pro tour (40 matches, W/L = 20/20) :

2004

METZ (IS, Hard)
R1: W Malisse 3/6, 7/6 ret.
R2: W Patience 6/4, 6/4
1/4: L Gasquet 7/5, 6/1

PARIS-BERCY (MS, Hard)
R1: W Enqvist 1/6, 6/4, 6/3
R2: L Hewitt: 6/3, 7/6

2005

DOHA (IS, Hard)
R1: W Gaudio 6/4, 7/6
R2: L Santoro 6/2, 4/6, 7/5

AUSTRALIAN OPEN (GS, Hard)
R1: W Ginepri 1/6, 6/3, 6/4, 7/6
R2: L O.Rochus 6/1, 6/3, 6/3

MILAN (IS, Carpet)
R1: W Benneteau 6/3, 6/3
R2: L SŲderling 6/3, 6/4

MARSEILLE (IS, Hard)
R1: L Andreev 6/3, 6/2

BesanÁon Challenger, Hard
R1: W Okun 7/6, 6/3
R2: W Mahut 7/6, 6/4
1/4: W Sabau 6/4, 6/1
1/2: W Elseneer 6/1, 6/3
F: W Ch.Rochus 6/3, 2/6, 6/3


INDIAN WELLS (MS, Hard)
R1: W Morrisson 7/5, 6/4
R2: L Robredo 6/3, 6/1

MIAMI (MS, Hard)
R1: W Llodra 3/6, 6/4, 6/3
R2: W Davydenko 4/6, 6/1, 6/4
R3: W Lee 7/6, 3/6, 7/6
R4: L Hrbaty 6/3, 6/3

MONTE-CARLO (MS, Clay)
R1: L Nadal 6/3, 6/2

BARCELONA (ISG, Clay)
R1: L Calleri 7/6, 7/6

Tunis Challenger, Clay
R1: W Gicquel 6/3, 6/2
R2: W Di Mauro 4/6, 6/4, 6/1
1/4: W Hernandez 7/5, 4/6, 6/2
1/2: W Galvani 6/1, 6/3
F: W Santoro 7/5, 3/6, 7/6

Prague Challenger, Clay
R1: W Kosler 6/1, 6/0
R2: W Serra 6/7, 6/4 7/5
1/4: W Vliegen 2/6, 1/6


ROLAND GARROS (GS, Clay)
R1: L CaŮas 6/3, 6/1, 6/0

QUEEN'S (IS, Grass)
R1: L Delgado 6/2, 6/4

NOTTINGHAM (IS, Grass)
R1: L Beck 6/2, 2/6, 6/3

WIMBLEDON (GS)
R1: W Okun 3/6, 6/4, 6/4, 7/6
R2: W Hrbaty 6/3, 6/3, 2/6, 7/5
R3: L Ancic 6/3, 6/3, 6/1

BASTAD (IS, Clay)
R1: W Bjorkman 6/2, 6/2
R2: L Robredo 6/4, 4/2 ret.

STUTTGART (ISG, Clay)
R1: L Starace 6/2, 6/3

SOPOT (IS, Clay)
R1: W Marin 6/0, 6/4
R2: W Monaco 6/4, 7/6
1/4: W Hanescu 6/3, 6/3
1/2: W Starace 3/6, 7/5, 6/4
F: W Mayer 7/6, 4/6, 7/5

CINCINNATI (MS, Hard)
R1: W Stepanek 6/3, 6/2
R2: L Beck 6/1, 7/6
R3: L Youzhny 4/6, 6/1, 6/1

NEW HAVEN (IS, Hard)
R1: Bye
R2: L Koubek 4/6, 7/5, 7/5

US OPEN (GS, Hard)
R1: L Djokovic 7/5, 4/6, 7/6, 0/6, 7/5

BUCHAREST (IS, Clay)
R1: L Montanes 6/3, 1/6, 4/6

PALERMO (IS, Clay)
R1: L Martin 6/1, 3/6, 4/6
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Re: Has Monfils revcovered from the Djokovic loss...

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Does he really have a strong stroke, a big weapon ? When I watch the Djokovic match I found he never attacked, and I was a bit disapointed. He's got the big serve but we know it's not enough today. What else ?
He's got the clay court mentality of grinding it out and overpowering the opposition with his athleticism or strength. He has good strokes but his strategy during the match is too defensive and trying to force errors. Of course that's much harder to do with the pros and he has to adjust, be more agressive first of all.
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