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Do you think ATP should use the Entry list as the only ranking?

That Championship Race is not relevant at all! you could not use that as a ranking, it is only the race to reach the final championship! look at the ATP website, the link to the Entry list is really well hidden so then people might think that whoever is #1 according to the Race is the real #1
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I agree. I can't stand the Champions race as being considered the rankings. I think the entry system should be the official ranking and the champions race can be used as an aide.
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same here. i mean, after thomas johansson won the aus. open, he was ranked no. 1 on the champions race! ridiculous, or what!

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the ESP is the ranks and i don't give a damn about the CR
thats of little use until all the Masters events are completed
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I like the race, it's exciting.

Think of it as a marathon. Some players have an early start only to lose steam in the later stages and others are late bloomers, peaking in the second part of the race and overtaking the earlier hotshots. Still others run at an even pace, hovering about the same spot throughout the race, while some are really erratic and keep slowing down and accelerating.

It's all a lot of fun, if one doesn't take it too seriously. The only real rankings are determined by the entry system, that's for sure.

Maybe the official ATP site does overdo it. For a long time, I had no idea they showed entry system as well, and had to go to another site to follow the weekly changes in ranks and points.

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The Champions Race is ok if you know about the Entry System. When I first started watching tennis and the only men's rankings I saw was the CR I was totally confused because the seedings in tournaments weren't according to those rankings. Now that I know they're both there I'm glad it's there cuz it helps me keep track of how Lleyton My favorites are doing
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and i wonder who ur favourites r... or should i say, i wonder who ur favourite is?

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The Champs Race is ok. I like the idea of being able to follow it closely. BUT, as the others, I cant give up on following the Entry System, as it is the true ranking.
What I dislike on the Champions Race is the way the ATP tries to make it as if it was the only ranking there. Well, it can make things simplier for the newbies of the sport, but it make it all so stupid for the ones who are following it since long.
They could treat both equally. That would make sense.

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The Champs Race is ok. I like the idea of being able to follow it closely. BUT, as the others, I cant give up on following the Entry System, as it is the true ranking.
What I dislike on the Champions Race is the way the ATP tries to make it as if it was the only ranking there. Well, it can make things simplier for the newbies of the sport, but it make it all so stupid for the ones who are following it since long.
They could treat both equally. That would make sense.
Basically, what hitman says, but with one change: I don't like the Champions Race because it seems like the past year's accomplishments don't count. The ESP is the only thing for me, it's the only ranking I keep track of on my site.

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The Champions Race is useful as a check against the rankings. It enables you to get an idea quickly of who is on the way up or down if form continues.

That's about all. The way it's used by the ATP is crap.
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It's usefull to see who has done well this year but I agree that the entry system is the most important ranking.
If someone is ranked 30 for example in the CR then I think, if he competes like this all year he will be ranked 30 in the entry system, but it can be totaly different as wel.

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The Champs race = the entry points earnt at event divided by 5.

e.g. 1000 entry points for grand slam, 200 race points.

They might as well just have a race to champs and have done with it.
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