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Marat Safin: Sad waste of talent.

We've watched Marat Safin, triumph, in 5 sets over Roger Federer at the Australian Open and later give him a struggle, on his weakest and Roger's best surface. Grass. He took it to 3 sets, in Halle. Last year, Marat said, I hate the Grass and cannot play on it... funny ... he can give one of the best players of all-time on Grass a difficult time. We watched as Roger mangled Roddick in Wimbledon, the trophy ceremony, we watched as Roger won the U.S Open. One can't help but wonder, why Marat Safin isn't the one hoisting the winner's trophy or perhaps atleast the runner-up.

I mean, Marat has 50x the talent of Roddick and has proven he can beat Agassi (Australian Open Results from 2004). The guy has proven he can defeat anyone on his best day, but no, he loses to players like: Robredo, Lopez, Kiefer. Such wasted talent, Marat will show up 1 or 2 months, play great tennis and go home enjoying his earnings. His #1 is women it seems, which is the same for most Men.

I really do pity Marat, seriously, I am the #1 Federer fan, but the Australian Open is in the back of my head. It has been all year. It's eaten away at me. I couldn't even cheer against Marat in the final, he deserved that title. He took out Roger. After he took Fedex to 3 on Grass, honestly, I became somewhat intimidated by him.

He has all the physical attributes.
Height.
Muscle.
Speed.
He has the game / variety.
Finesse & Power

He's proven that he can exhibit absolute genius at times, but with him there is no in-between. It's the good and the bad. Either he stinks or he's playing out of his body tennis. I look at players like Roddick that have dedicated their lives to this sport and given their bodies, thinking Safin would only have to give 40% of that with the talent he has to be in the spots they are now. Would we even know who Nadal is if it weren't for the absence of Safin? Nobody will ever know.

I think this speaks volumes for the difference between a potential champ and a champion:

Roger Federer played Marat Safin in Rome, shortly after saw the match televised and noticed commentators joking around about who could throw their racquet better.

Federer decided from that point on to stop his on-court antics.
Marat, well, last time I checked his racquets are lucky to see the bag again once he plays a single bad point. Next stop: Garbage Can.

Federer matured.
Marat didn't.

Federer has the mental edge.
Marat doesn't.

Sadly, Marat possesses the one trait that can take Fedex out: Genius mixed with pure power and the sad part, only real tennis heads even know WHO Safin is. Tragic.
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Re: Marat Safin: Sad waste of talent.

I had not noticed that marat has finesse? .. Maybe a little bit here and there, sometime. But in general, marat + finesse does not seem to go together
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Re: Marat Safin: Sad waste of talent.

Two things that rarely seem to occur to followers of the Safin soap opera:

1. His game does have weaknesses, just like Federer's - you mention Robredo and Lopez, their games are better suited to the surfaces on which Safin lost to them this year. I give credit to Robredo for hanging tough in the fifth set at RG, he does have a remarkable five-set record. Safin has all the strength and power to succeed on clay, but his flat groundstrokes are liable to break down when put under pressure by a good retriever.

2. Every odd year of Safin's has been affected by injuries, it was the same in 01 and 03 and to a lesser extent it's happened this year as well. Ergo, he does not have the perfect physique for tennis, considering that he hates the low ball on grass and that every one of his three injuries has been in a different body part (back, wrist and knee respectively).

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

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Re: Marat Safin: Sad waste of talent.

I still love him like he is. Sigh.
Sorry, couldn't resist coming to this thread of course.
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What's the news? zzzzzzzzzzzzz......

He'll win at least one more slam to separate himself from Kafelnikov.

In most cases serious injures before the age of 25 are the direct result of neglecting the proper training regime.

At least nobody can say that he's overplaying. Probably he'll have plenty of left in his tank in late 20-s.
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He has all the physical attributes.
Roger Federer played Marat Safin in Rome, shortly after saw the match televised and noticed commentators joking around about who could throw their racquet better.

Federer decided from that point on to stop his on-court antics.
Marat, well, last time I checked his racquets are lucky to see the bag again once he plays a single bad point. Next stop: Garbage Can.
And Marat Safin watched the replay and said: "BAM! I won, I threw my racquet stronger!"
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I still love him like he is. Sigh.
Sorry, couldn't resist coming to this thread of course.
Me too.
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A part of the talent is the mentality , mental strength and we all know how Safin's mind is , so players with less winner shots as for example Nadal or Hewitt in my opinion are more talented than Safin, because the word talent isn't a synonym of technique . Technique is just a part of the talent.
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Re: Marat Safin: Sad waste of talent.

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I had not noticed that marat has finesse? .. Maybe a little bit here and there, sometime. But in general, marat + finesse does not seem to go together

Marat has finesse, but doesn't use it often ... sometimes relies on power game too much...

He has a decent slice, a good drop shot, which can be used and mix it up, also an improving net game and deadly placement. He is not only power.

Do you honestly think only power would beat Roger the way it did in Australia ?
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Re: Marat Safin: Sad waste of talent.

He's always saying things like, "Me, I have no touch, no finesse, nothing", when of course he does. The huge wingspan up at net undoubtedly helps, but when he needs to have good hands he usually displays them. At other times he has complete shockers (see: the majority of his volleys against Robredo in the aforesaid RG match), but then who doesn't now and then?

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ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I remember this one time when I went on a vacation on the Maldives. That was in the year 2001, I think. I went to this spa. I went to walk around with my girlfriend. I walk in, and we want to book a spa. This guy goes, "AHH, I remember you. You beat Sampras. I saw you on TV." That was like, really, how can you remember me? This guy has probably never been off his island and still knows me. I was a little bit shocked. Then I went to play tennis with him because he was actually the tennis teacher. It was nice.

Q. Were you naked at the time in the spa?

ROGER FEDERER: No. It was at the front desk. I didn't walk in naked.
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Do you honestly think only power would beat Roger the way it did in Australia ?
Roger was injured during that match. Feet and arm problems
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l. Ergo, he does not have the perfect physique for tennis, considering that he hates the low ball on grass and that every one of his three injuries has been in a different body part (back, wrist and knee respectively).
maybe a cock injury would make him more focused for a while

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Roger was injured during that match. Feet and arm problems
Roger had shoulder problems, I believe, but come on ... get real.

Roger had match point and lost in the 5th set 7-9.

That's not an injured score, it's the score of a beaten man.

I love Roger and he is the best to ever touch a racquet, his game is beautiful and I love how he uses his brain on court. Strategically he is Martina Hingis, Defensively, Bjorn Borg and Offensively a mixture of Laver, Sampras & Lendl.

But, HE LOST... please do not play the injury card. =/
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Do you honestly think only power would beat Roger the way it did in Australia ?
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Re: Marat Safin: Sad waste of talent.

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maybe a cock injury would make him more focused for a while
Maybe you should meet with marat and do that! And that will hopefully sort him out.
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