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Equal prize money for men/women in single, RG

This has already been posted on wta by GoDominique (but since I didn't notice it here and since so many posters will just love this news, I decided to post it here )

****sorry in advance, if it has already been posted here too

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,...-650111,0.html

La parité hommes-femmes au programme de Roland-Garros 2006
LE MONDE | 19.09.05 | 14h18

Arrivée en rangs dispersés pour tenter de donner quelques explications sur sa défaite (2-3) face à la Russie en finale de la Fed Cup, dimanche 18 septembre, l'équipe de France faisait la mine des mauvais jours.

Seule consolation : la rencontre de haut vol entre deux des meilleures équipes féminines de tennis aura au moins contribué à populariser la Fed Cup, à qui l'étiquette de parent pauvre de la Coupe Davis n'a plus de raison de coller. Durant le week-end, près de 30 000 personnes ont pris place sur les gradins du court central de Roland-Garros, un score digne des plus grandes heures des Internationaux de France.


"Cette compétition mérite de se jouer dans des endroits comme Roland-Garros et d'autres grands stades. Quand on voit l'engouement du public, les gens qui sont comme des fous derrière nous tout le week-end, ça donne des frissons" , a déclaré Amélie Mauresmo, plus encline à parler du futur de l'épreuve que de sa plutôt piètre prestation dans le double décisif, qu'elle venait de perdre au côté de Mary Pierce (4-6, 6-1, 3-6).

En marge du protocole qui venait de s'achever sur le court Philippe-Chatrier, Georges Goven, le capitaine des Bleues, a tenu, lui aussi, à saluer le public parisien: "Je tenais à vous remercier pour votre sportivité et votre support tout au long du week-end. C'est comme une musique qui restera longtemps dans nos coeurs."

Roland-Garros, justement, était au centre de l'intervention de Christian Bîmes quelques minutes avant que n'apparaissent les Françaises et leur dépit. Le président de la Fédération Française de tennis (FFT) tenait, sans plus attendre, à évoquer le futur des Internationaux de France, deuxième levée du Grand Chelem. Principale annonce : l'édition 2006 durera quinze jours, soit un de plus que d'habitude. Au lieu de commencer un lundi, comme de coutume, la quinzaine de Roland-Garros débutera un dimanche, le 28 mai, pour s'achever le dimanche 11 juin.

Ce jour-là, douze matches seront programmés sur les trois principaux courts de Roland-Garros : le court central, le court Suzanne-Lenglen et le court nº1. L'opération devait accroître de manière non négligeable (de l'ordre de 25 000 places) la vente, déjà florissante, des billets et, selon le président Bîmes, "offrira d'excellentes retombées médiatiques, puisque l'on sait que le dimanche les écarts d'audience à la télévision sont importants" . Autre nouveauté annoncée par Christian Bîmes, le prix réservé au vainqueur sera, pour la première fois, d'un montant identique dans le simple dames et dans le simple messieurs. Cette parité ne visera toutefois que les vainqueurs des tournois masculin et féminin, a précisé le président la Fédération française de tennis.

"Je n'ai pas souhaité que cela aille plus loin , a expliqué le président de la FFT. Simplement parce que je reste encore persuadé qu'il y a un petit décalage entre les hommes et les femmes."
Les Françaises, à peine remises de leurs vains efforts pour décrocher la victoire en Fed Cup, apprécieront certainement la nuance.

Jean-Jacques Larochelle
Article paru dans l'édition du 20.09.05
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Re: Equal prize money for men/women in single, RG

I am a fan of both wta/atp, but there is no way in hell wta should ever get the same prize money as atp! Its criminal!!
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Re: Equal prize money for men/women in single, RG

This has been mentioned in the RG starting on Sunday thread.

Viva Wimbledon that is all I can say.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
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How long will it be before women are demaning more prize money than men God i dread to think of that ever happening
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These clowns have also given into giving the women equal prizemoney, at least that's one thing I will give Wimbledon and good for them.

It looks like I might have to find my old posts as to why this is a bad idea.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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These clowns have also given into giving the women equal prizemoney, at least that's one thing I will give Wimbledon and good for them.

It looks like I might have to find my old posts as to why this is a bad idea.
They shouldnt have backed down! Awful decision

WTA has no grounds on to justify equal prize money, so it shouldnt be given. Well done to the idiots who backed down
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WTA brings as much entertainment as ATP, so of course they should get as much prizemoney
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WTA brings as much entertainment as ATP, so of course they should get as much prizemoney
Now what factors are going to be used to measure entertainment levels?

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Now what factors are going to be used to measure entertainment levels?
The number of fans going to see the matches, the ratings on tv etc. And we must take into account all countries and not just a few where mens tennis is more popular.
Anyway I think we've been thru all this before, and i've read your points and am not convinced, and neither will you be changing your mind, so IMO it would be tiresome to rehash all this again.
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one could argue that the women don't play best of five sets matches but best of three like i think Myskina did for explaining she had no problem with the situation as it was before too...
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The number of fans going to see the matches, the ratings on tv etc. And we must take into account all countries and not just a few where mens tennis is more popular.
Anyway I think we've been thru all this before, and i've read your points and am not convinced, and neither will you be changing your mind, so IMO it would be tiresome to rehash all this again.
Shouldn't be relevant to the particular TV market? If you have read them, then could you provide counter arguments to where they are wrong.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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So Roland Garros decided to give into demands and award equal prizemoney, what has changed from before except the dates.

To the supporters of the WTA. Some questions. Where has there been an example of major international sports where the women outdraw in more money through TV revenue, corporate sponsorship and respective ticket sales? It doesn't happen in football, not basketball, not volleyball and definitely not tennis, no beach volleyball doesn't count.

If the WTA are so sure that they bring in equal revenue at the Slams and generate as much as money as the ATP. Then they should release these figures and get an independent auditor to both tours and see where the corporate sponsorship, ticket sales and the prizemoney is favoured to.

I doubt that women's tennis globally (not just in the USA) brings in as much as revenue as the men's game and that is a common theme throughout the professional sporting world as I have stated before.

If the WTA are able do that, and in Jerry Maguire speak "Show them the money" then yes they should get equal prizemoney.

If WTA internationally (not the USA) out draws and outgrosses the ATP financially when it comes to these factors. Then why doesn't the WTA events have as much as prizemoney as the ATP overall.

The money from the ATP and WTA doesn't just go the tour and their money helps Slams together with the ITF. The ATP being a richer organisation than the WTA and have clearly shown this in that they bring in more overall revenue than the WTA to the Slams, if it wasn't the case, why wouldn't the WTA publicise it?

It's the supporters of the WTA and equal prizemoney crusaders for them to prove that they are deserving of that and not the ATP. The womens matches at the Slams especially the early rounders are for stretching your legs, getting food and seeing who is practicing for finding another mens match to watch.

I hope they have an all womens QF day. Last time that happened it stunk and was a very bad day finance wise for the tournament and they have not done that since. Then there was the time when they played all the quarter finals on Lenglen instead of Chartier. Do you think they would have put the guys out there all of their matches? Yet they are now prepared to give equal prizemoney.

Just using a basic economic argument here.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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Shouldn't be relevant to the particular TV market? If you have read them, then could you provide counter arguments to where they are wrong.
The tv market is for all countries that televise tennis, and obviously some countries which have more successful male players will give more attention to mens tennis, like Australia, but there are countries where womens tennis is popular because they have their own stars.

I think that historically, womens tennis hasnt been as popular as mens tennis, due to a general disrespect of womens sport, but now it has caught up, and there are as many WTA fans as there are ATP fans. So logically there should be equal prizemoney. As in any occupation, the default position should be equal money for the same job, unless you can provide concrete proof that one deserves more money.
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The tv market is for all countries that televise tennis, and obviously some countries which have more successful male players will give more attention to mens tennis, like Australia, but there are countries where womens tennis is popular because they have their own stars.
It's only an issue at 4 of the Slams and at RG the mens game is more highly regarded, it would never happen that they put 4 QFs of the guy on Lenglen instead of Chartrier.

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I think that historically, womens tennis hasnt been as popular as mens tennis, due to a general disrespect of womens sport, but now it has caught up, and there are as many WTA fans as there are ATP fans. So logically there should be equal prizemoney. As in any occupation, the default position should be equal money for the same job, unless you can provide concrete proof that one deserves more money.
It has got better, but it still isn't as popular, and that's the same for womens sport, if they had the same level of fans and corporate sponsorship, ticket sales, then their tournaments would be richer than they are at the moment.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


Wilander on Dimitrov - "He has mind set on imitating Federer and yes it looks good. But he has no idea what to do on the court".

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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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