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View Poll Results: Did Andre get his "American" title back from Roddick
Yes, US Open finalist at 35 solidified it 11 21.57%
No, ATP rankings say otherwise 8 15.69%
Rankings aside, Andre never lost it. 32 62.75%
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With Andre's US Open final appearance at 35

Has he taken back the best current USA player from Roddick. At 35 no less and was 30-0 in a 4-2 3rd set from forcing Federer to go 5 to defend
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Re: With Andre's US Open final appearance at 35

for me at least, andre was always the favorite of the two (he and roddick). the media and many fans made Roddick the darling of contemporary american tennis, but his great run at flushing meadows put agassi back in the limelight. maybe he hasn't taken the title away from roddick-- in my eyes agassi still had it. but thats sentiment, not rationale.

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Re: With Andre's US Open final appearance at 35

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Has he taken back the best current USA player from Roddick. At 35 no less and was 30-0 in a 4-2 3rd set from forcing Federer to go 5 to defend
It was 4, anyway Andre is still in my eyes the best American player when he is healthy. The media just wants someone younger to attract the younger generation into the sport (majority of Andys fans are teenage girls so no surprise really)

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Re: With Andre's US Open final appearance at 35

i dont think andre lost it, andy just keep it warm for him while andre's taking a much needed break.. lol
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Re: With Andre's US Open final appearance at 35

Check Agassi-Roddick H2H, end of story.
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It was 4
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was 30-0 in a 4-2 3rd set from forcing Federer to go 5 to defend
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Check Agassi-Roddick H2H, end of story.
I forgot what's their head to head?


One thing Andy has going for him is that he sodomized the virginal Mandy Moore AND hosted SNL.

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Andre has been the best for 4 years.
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Has he taken back the best current USA player from Roddick. At 35 no less and was 30-0 in a 4-2 3rd set from forcing Federer to go 5 to defend
This is speculation. Even if he held to go 5-2 what guarantee that Federer would not step it up at 5-3 to break.

30-0 4-2 in the third is really no different from Roge having 3 chances to get back on serve in the 2nd and then perhaps being 2 sets up to love.

Too much has been made of that one point in the match when there were many other pivotal points in the match which could have swung it in any direction. andre had chances in the first, after saving 5 or 6 set points, to get back on serve as well.
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The issue for me is to wait and see what happens next. At the moment Andre looks like the bigger force in American tennis, however, we don't know if he will stay on tour and be a force in 2006 or will he just play a few selected tournaments. Also I want to see if Roddick is going to keep on losing to lower ranked opponents or will he snap out of that and have some good wins?

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Re: With Andre's US Open final appearance at 35

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I forgot what's their head to head?


One thing Andy has going for him is that he sodomized the virginal Mandy Moore AND hosted SNL.
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The last three matches have been really close (I believe Andre even had a match point in his loss at Queen's Club...).

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This is speculation. Even if he held to go 5-2 what guarantee that Federer would not step it up at 5-3 to break.

30-0 4-2 in the third is really no different from Roge having 3 chances to get back on serve in the 2nd and then perhaps being 2 sets up to love.

Such "speculation" is deeply rooted in understanding subtelties of tennis momentum and specific players and situation. Anything is possible, but we're talking about odds - Andre wins that game, he likely wins the set and probably the match.

No, 4-2, 30-0 and great looks at Roger's backhand on subsequent 2 points IS different from Roger having some BP on ANDRE's serve or losing his serve at 15-40 in the 2nd set.

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The media just wants someone younger to attract the younger generation into the sport (majority of Andys fans are teenage girls so no surprise really)
True the mojority of fans are teenage girls.

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Such "speculation" is deeply rooted in understanding subtelties of tennis momentum and specific players and situation. Anything is possible, but we're talking about odds - Andre wins that game, he likely wins the set and probably the match.

No, 4-2, 30-0 and great looks at Roger's backhand on subsequent 2 points IS different from Roger having some BP on ANDRE's serve or losing his serve at 15-40 in the 2nd set.
Well such understanding of subtleties would also point at Roge not having the momentum going into the tiebreaker, after losing so many chances (4 or 5) to break andre at 5-all and serving it out. So the usual subtleties are just that-- speculation based on some past observations. In fact the opposite happened.

One would have thought that after losing so many opportunities, Roger would be a little down on himself. It is all simple now to point to that as such a pivotal point but so many strange momentum shifts have taken place in slam matches so I dont see why this would be an exception where there is so little doubt of what would happen, could happen, etc. based on those few points.

Take coria at 5-4 40-15. He lost that point, the game, set and so on (French2003). Would anyone have speculated that he would then get to the first match point at 6-5 in the fifth? Slam matches bring strange momentum shifts out, the rest we can speculate
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Re: With Andre's US Open final appearance at 35

I think agassi is still the king, Roddick couldn't get past the first round this tournie.

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