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Federer, Safin and Nadal

We now have an interesting situation in men's tennis whereby three players are the current holders of all the Slams TMS events and TMC.

Australian Open- Marat Safin
Indian Wells- Roger Federer
Miami- Roger Federer
Monte Carlo- Rafael Nadal
Rome- Rafael Nadal
Hamburg- Roger Federer
French Open- Rafael Nadal
Wimbledon- Roger Federer
Montreal- Rafael Nadal
Cincinnati- Roger Federer
U.S. Open- Roger Federer
Madrid- Marat Safin
Paris Indoors- Marat Safin
TMC/YEC- Roger Federer

Considering the depth in men's tennis nowadays I find it to be a staggering achievement by those players. The last time a similair situation occured was 10 years ago in late 1995 just before the TMC in Frankfurt when there were four holders. The only so called 'fly in the ointment' back then was Andrei Medvedev who won Hamburg:

Australian Open- Andre Agassi
Indian Wells- Pete Sampras
Miami- Andre Agassi
Monte Carlo- Thomas Muster
Hamburg- Andrei Medvedev
Rome- Thomas Muster
French Open- Thomas Muster
Wimbledon- Pete Sampras
Montreal- Andre Agassi
Cincinnati- Andre Agassi
U.S. Open- Pete Sampras
Essen- Thomas Muster
Paris Indoors- Pete Sampras
TMC/YEC- Pete Sampras

Of course, Becker went on to win the TMC that year and he was the second 'fly in the ointment'

I am just thinking 2005 could be the year in which all the required titles were collectively won by the fewest number of players since the inception of the ATP in 1990.

Wouldn't it be amazing if Federer, Safin and Nadal would go on to win the 2 remaining TMS events and TMC titles between them?
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interesting observation, Ron! I never would have predicted such a situation a few years ago, when so many different players were splitting up all the big titles.

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Actually, it would be great if Federer went on to win the next two Tennis Masters Events as well as the year-ending chamionship. Damn, I'm just a greedy witch.

I don't mind Marat winning another title but I think he should go under the knife immediately and forget about tennis for the rest of the year. He's just prolonging the inevitable and probably endangering his career as well.
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Re: Federer, Safin and Nadal

Very interesting post. And with Rafa winning China today he and FedEx are tied at 10 titles each. An amazing feat for both men.

ETA I don't think Marat will, or should play anymore this year.
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Very interesting post. And with Rafa winning China today he and FedEx are tied at 10 titles each. An amazing feat for both men.
Yes, I started another thread which no one has responded too yet about that. So I will pose the same question here: when was the last time 2 or more players won 10+ titles each in a single calendar year?
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This makes you realize what a frustrating year it must be for Hewitt, who has had great results (hardly lost before the quarters in any tournament --- 2 SF and a F in the three majors he played) but doesn't have a big title.

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Yes, I started another thread which no one has responded too yet about that. So I will pose the same question here: when was the last time 2 or more players won 10+ titles each in a single calendar year?
I've been a tennis fan for a long time and I don't remember any year where this has happened before.

Not only Hewitt must be frustrated. Roddick had failed to live up to his potential (hype some will say). Monfils, Murray, Gasquet and Jenkins are a year or two away from the level of play shown by Nadal and Federer. Safin is injured and may not play again this year. Young is two to three years away depending on when he has his growth spurt(and loses his attitude until he has a reason to have one).

I'm sure someone will find the real answer but right now two men sit on top of mens tennis and I have to say its exciting to think what next year will bring.
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Well, Hewitt seems to be a consistent member of the 2nd ring of tennis- whereby the first and innermost ring consists of the slam winners and other major title holders. While he is a consistent performer in those events he always gets taken out by an inner ring player each and every time. The only way I see him winning a big one again is if there are many upsets and he doesn't have to face any of those players.
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Well, Hewitt seems to be a consistent member of the 2nd ring of tennis- whereby the first and innermost ring consists of the slam winners and other major title holders. While he is a consistent performer in those events he always gets taken out by an inner ring player each and every time. The only way I see him winning a big one again is if there are many upsets and he doesn't have to face any of those players.
Kinda like Roddick huh? Seriously though there are the top two and everyone else right now. If Safin gets better he'll be the third leg of the triangle. On a good day where he's focused and ready I think Safin can beat anybody.
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Kinda like Roddick huh? Seriously though there are the top two and everyone else right now. If Safin gets better he'll be the third leg of the triangle. On a good day where he's focused and ready I think Safin can beat anybody.
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Safin's just great, but with terrible mantality..every1 knows it nomatter if he's 2 or 20 years old..he just shows it non-stop... i h8 this.... but it seems like he has some work to do to save those points, 'cause i dun think Rafi and Rogi will give easy points(i think it'll be a big fight most between those 2, well i'd like it Marat to get in the fight ,but...)

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Indeed, very impressive that this is happening. Three years ago, I never thought that the winners's circle of the major tournaments would be so restricted. The "2nd ring of tennis" is probably formed by Hewitt, Roddick and Coria in the moment
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Re: Federer, Safin and Nadal

Nice findings Ron.

Still, people are complaining that Roge = domination of tennis?
This shows it is not so complete domination. There are two others
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Re: Federer, Safin and Nadal

and by next year after the australian open, all slam and master titles will be held by only 2 players....
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and by next year after the australian open, all slam and master titles will be held by only 2 players....
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